Failure drills

Failure drills

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    Failure drills

    This is not scenario per se but - what do you folks find the best method to ''force'' failures - the better to practice your failure drills??

    I have tried ball and dummy but it is sometimes hard to duplicate, say, a stovepipe.
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    To set up a failure to extract, carefully insert a dummy round into the chamber. Put a dummy round in a mag, insert the mag into the weapon, and release the slide. I know of no way to induce one on the fly.
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    Failure drills to me meant you hit the BG twice and he didn't go down so better shoot for the computer region. perhaps the title should be malfunction drills. Yes I know picky picky etc but I think you know I am just getting on your good side here P95.
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    I hear ya FortyFive
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    If agressor fails to stop agression, move POI.

    If gun fails to operate (for any reason), drop it and use second gun.
    Keep the shotgun handy!!

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    My brother and I will run failure drills occasionally. We load each other's guns and then hand them back, so we have no idea what's going to happen. We'll do things like:

    fail to seat the magazine
    insert a snapcap somewhere in the mag
    insert a spent cartridge in the mag, which will usually not chamber correctly
    insert a spent cartridge in the tube and then chamber a live round, which will simulate a stovepipe
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    All I have to do is shoot my Kel-Tec P3AT! I'm getting pretty good at clearing FTE's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty
    My brother and I will run failure drills occasionally. We load each other's guns and then hand them back, so we have no idea what's going to happen. We'll do things like:

    fail to seat the magazine
    insert a snapcap somewhere in the mag
    insert a spent cartridge in the mag, which will usually not chamber correctly
    insert a spent cartridge in the tube and then chamber a live round, which will simulate a stovepipe
    I used to do the same thing when I was in the military. Before passing out the loaded magazines for some live fire training we would load several of them with a random expended blank cartridge. Click and no bang.
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    This is not intended to be a sarcastic post, but the best way to practice failure drills is to buy a case of Wolf ammo and go to the range. That's what I do.

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    If swapping mags with someone or when loading mags with a shooting buddy, make sure that the correct calibers are being used. They had a couple of times at the state training center when someone put 9mm ammo in a .40 mag.
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    i do pretty much as betty says sometimes buy some shoddy factory ammo as triggertime says form live failure drills .. Amerc is another to use for this besides wolf

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    Yep - like your thoughts there Betty - thx.

    Bud - Amerc??? Won't touch it ever again!!! Wolf actually has never given me much grief but then with 9mm in particular, doubt I have used much of it - plus SIG seems happy digesting about anything!
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    I wont use the stuff either shot about 20 once that was enough for me

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    I don't try to make FTF's or FTE's, other than by adding random snapcaps to my mags. It has seemed like unnecessary abuse with the potential to damage the action, to use spent casings to intentionally force a misfeed. I have been reluctant to use live rounds in such a way that I might damage them or induce setback. So, I rely on snapcaps. The nature of the failure doesn't really change my failure drill, much, anyway - I seem to go through the same steps no matter where the failure is. Am I missing something?
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    No Tom - don't think you are missing anything!

    The only thing that I see making a ''std'' malfunction drill become potentially totally ineffective tho is a severe FTE - and that might be hard to duplicate - if in particular, worst-case scenario - extractor claw has bust!!! Horrors!

    Reach for BUG!!
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