A Situation last night

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    Everyone is in agreement here, to wait around and make sure all ended well..and if you can't wait, do your best to be a better wittness, just incase..make notes on stature, dress, etc...

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    If my daughter were away attending college and it was her in the parking lot, as her father, I'd be thrilled for ya'll watching out for her.
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    I have made my presence known in a few situations before and after getting my permit. Not a "Hey you!" type of thing, just a "I see you seeing me" type of deal. On a couple of occasions I have moved myself closer to the scene because I didn't feel comfortable with a potential outcome.

    One such situation happened right outside of where I work. It was an evening just before we closed sometime after our "Grand Opening". A young woman had just left the dollar store next door with her two kids when a bum (I had seen him many times in the days leading up to and after our opening, usually in the same garb) approached her. He is known for using a more harassing tone to obtain money, and was absolutely terroizing this poor woman as she was loading her smallest into the car. Since this was just outside the doors of the business I work for, I stepped to the sidewalk out front and lit a cigarette to watch things. She looked over her shoulder at me and I could see the fear in her eyes.

    By this time the bum turned to me and said "Hey, gimme a smoke." I quitely said to him "I don't smoke" as I took another pull off of my cigarette. To which he said something to the effect of "Give me a cigarette or I'll kick your [self edit]posterior location[/self edit]." (By this time the woman had got her two youngest in the car and the oldest was able to get in by herself.) I, without looking at the gent, said: "You can certainly find something better to do with your time than trying to do something that is liable to land one of us in the hospital can't ya?"

    He got a little flustered at this and after stuttering for a few seconds walked off muttering obscenities louder as he got further from us. The woman had herself got into her car and looked at me and mouthed "Thank you." To which I smiled and touched the brim of my hat (I wear the wide brimmed style hats which gets me called a cowboy by kids alot. No it isn't a cowboy hat) and went back inside.

    She came to the store the next day to thank me in person. I told her that it was nothing any other gentleman wouldn't do. She is one of my best customers five years later.


    Long story short: Your little lass there may have been in no danger, but then again she may have been. It could have been the fact that you were there in the first place that kept her in the clear. You don't always have to act on the voices in your head, but you should listen to them.
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    When in doubt, it doesn't hurt to be seen making a call on your cell phone while watching.
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    As the father of three daughters in college I would appreciate it if in such a case that the person at least made themselves known. The panhandlers usually try to avoid a confrontation with more than one person and don't like witnesses.

    You don't have to interject yourself into the confusion but be sure to hang around, pretend to or actually call 911.

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    Hang out and watch

    I agree with most of the other posters. I would have hung out by my vehicle and watched what played out, as I have done a few times in the past.

    I would have remained ready to act if needed depending on the situation. Cell phone if the arguement become too loud and obnoxious, or whatever. But usually if someone is harrasing a person and someone else is watching closely they tend to move along and go elsewhere.

    Watching is not getting involved in a situation, it is observation. Most people with bad intentions don't like being observed.
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    You just about never know what's really going on when you walk into a situation like that cold. I can think of about 10 different scenarios that you do not want to walk into the middle of, although my wife got caught short by a bum once and it didn't look bad to passers-by because the guy kept it low profile. She should have gone back into the store if she needed help, not stand there and put up with crap.

    I'd be a watcher, maybe even make a real call to 911. Let the LEO ride over and check/verify the situation. No harm, no foul.

    But if it became obvious who the aggressor was and intervention was warranted, gotta be chivalrous. Pay it forward, right?
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    Dont intervene?

    Dont ask a girl with a frightened look on her face if she is okay?

    What the heck, folks? Why NOT ask if she is okay?

    A least make sure the guy knows you are watching...and put your cell-phone to your ear so he isnt sure if your talking to the police. You could even snap a photo of him with your cellphone if it has that capability.

    But do something!! I am not saying to whip it out and wave it around.

    But why just go about your business when a person's life could very easily be in peril?

    Why not be the concerned citizen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigsauer View Post
    Dont intervene?

    Dont ask a girl with a frightened look on her face if she is okay?

    What the heck, folks? Why NOT ask if she is okay?

    A least make sure the guy knows you are watching...and put your cell-phone to your ear so he isnt sure if your talking to the police. You could even snap a photo of him with your cellphone if it has that capability.

    But do something!! I am not saying to whip it out and wave it around.



    But why just go about your business when a person's life could very easily be in peril?

    Why not be the concerned citizen?


    +1 Sometimes doing the "right" thing just feels right.


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    It's a shame that we have to second guess ourselves into inaction because we carry. In theory, if you would intervene while not carrying, then you should intervene while carrying. But, I'm sure many of us have the concern about it might be negatively portrayed in court (i.e. as vigilantism).

    Personally, whether or not I'm carrying, staying in the vicinity and making your presence clear to the guy who looked like an aggressive panhandler seems like a very good course of action. Intervening is likely to result in a more unpredictable result as it might just piss off the guy more.

    Sticking around until it was clearly over might have helped the OP feel better that he did the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumpJump View Post
    I wasn't a 100% sure what they were talking about or if she was threatened.
    That little quote is the most telling of your entire post. If you had watched the whole scenario from beginning to end play out you may have been 100% certain what was going on.

    It is a personal decision as to whether or not you get involved in a situation you are not a part of but let me suggest that if you do, you need to be 100% before you draw your weapon.

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    It's the old classic case--we don't know what's going on when we see something like this. In this case, I would certainly meander on over and be a good and obvious witness. I might also offer to escort the young lady back inside the store where she could make the call as the complainant. If told to mind my own business (by her), I would.

    I couldn't leave her without at least offering assistance. No, I don't think I'm a cop, but common decency demands that I look out for a young lady in a tough situation. (IMHO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumpJump View Post
    Thats funny that you should mention women's studies, I'm taking a women's studies class right now(requirement) and man it's boring as heck. Maybe I'll ask them about it.
    Does that mean you plan on divulging to them that you carry?

    Do you carry on campus?

    If so, is it clandestine, or are you allowed to?

    I'm just wondering; if you were to tell the women's studies crowd that you carry, and contemplated being this girl's "protector," there are several possibilities that could happen next.

    - they get indignant and assert that they "don't need you to protect" them
    - they get scared and worried that you might have a gun on your at that very moment (sheeple get scared even when GOOD people tell them they carry guns)
    - they call for security or police because they suspect you have a gun on you (whether you do or not, and whether it is allowed where you go to school or not)
    - they start thinking about their own security more
    - they contemplate concealed carry for themselves

    (I think that the latter two are the least likely possibilities.)

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    Personally I'd of just shot the place up...

    Seriously though, I would of walked up to the girl and asked her something completly from left field like "Do you know if this *insert store* is 24 hrs or do they close early?" depending on the time and location. Sometimes if you just ask a simple question in passing you can find a lot out about the situation and not be noticed.

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    sometimes a watchful eye and a cell phone is all thats needed.
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