God - hope this never happens
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November 7th, 2007 09:18 AM
God - hope this never happens
Your son and you are walking through a dark deserted street (I know this should never be the case). A guy, hiding behind a dumpster, grabs him and puts a gun to his head, demands all your belongings. You have a 9mm IWB at the small of your back and a .25 berretta in your front pocket. How do you react??? What if instead of a gun its a knife to the thoat??
I would assume you just toss all of your valuables (not the gun) into a pile between you and the BG, and hope he lets go of your son to pick them up. Maybe draw if he does let him go. Maybe just hope for the best.
November 7th, 2007 10:17 AM
You son is between you and the BG, give him what he wants. Toss it on the ground to his side. When he let's your son loose to pick it up, draw and drop him.
Hopefully you have discussed what to do in this type of situation with your son. So, as soon as the BG relaxes his hold your son will know to drop to the ground, out of the line of fire.
November 7th, 2007 10:28 AM
I'll be turning 21, Im not even married. For some reason this just popped into my head as I was falling asleep last night.
November 7th, 2007 10:30 AM
If, I were ever to be in that situation, I would hope that as soon as the movement was noticed, I would move my son on the other side of me from the BG, and he would have to go through me first to get to him.
Based on your scenario, I would have to toss my wallet, ect, to the side so that the BG would have to manuever to get to it. Hopefully they would let go of the son in doing this and either give us a chance to leave, or draw and neutralize the threat. If at all possible I would be leaving with my son and no shots fired while he was around.
Tough call, and don't plan on getting into that situation where I live.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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November 7th, 2007 11:01 AM
Having daughters is different- someone grabbing another person is more likely to be in kidnap/SA mode rather than "mugging". Muggers usually get the weapon out front and center so that the threat is generalized, not specific. That way, its easier to keep folks under control, when the victims aren't sure who is going to get hurt. Grabbing a particular individual brings many variables into play, and BGs know this, so... I would view it as preliminary to an abduction. Given that, distract and draw.
November 7th, 2007 11:16 AM
Toss him everything but the pistols. Be ready and hope he grabs and runs. If he runs, you've won; if not, draw and do what you have to do to protect your son and yourself.
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November 7th, 2007 11:39 AM
keep talking, keep moving, and keep forcing him to adjust his position. I would say comply with his demands, but maybe drop your wallet or keys as a distraction, until he releases his hostage to pick up the wallet. Then shoot him.
If he refuses to let the hostage go, or starts to leave with his hostage, things get much more difficult, and you'll have to play it as the situation allows. One thing for sure though, I would not let him leave with someone I cared about - chances are, it would be the last time I'd ever see them.
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November 7th, 2007 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Bob The Great
Agree...NEVER LET THEM TAKE YOU TO ANOTHER LOCATION. CHANCE ARE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A MORE DISCRETE LOCATION TO ACOMPLISH WHAT THEY CANT FINISH NOW.
STAND AND FIGHT.
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November 7th, 2007 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by CCWINNC
Throw stuff off to the side while Play the "really scared" victim and hope he bails out with his 'booty' and WITHOUT my son (or daughter).
Otherwise I'm evaluating when/how to best cese the threat WITHOUT him forcing a location change. I will do ALL I can to stay put!
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November 7th, 2007 04:05 PM
I saw this situation at Gunsite. Only difference is I had my gun out. I put six rounds into the perps head at five feet in about three seconds.
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November 7th, 2007 04:23 PM
1. my pocket carry is 380+ -- IMO 25 is too ineffective for physically and reliably stopping BG. Front Pocket can be a veryvery fast draw and natural place to put your hands.
2. Mid back is too slow on the draw IMO.
3. What's the distance to BG? Most of you can or can learn to draw from pocket or some appendix/hip carries and point shoot reliably into a 5 in target (the head) at 15 ft in about 1 1/4 sec.
So far it looks like a robbery.
Toss the stuff on a highish arc so BG is distracted upward and even to the rear while you are talking about something irrelevant or additional stuff you might have in your pockets to provide addl distraction.
If the kid is let go and BG is facing you as he picks up the stuff, there is still an issue .... you might be able to take him, but if not kid is probably dead too .. no witnesses.
This sux of course but sometimes you gotta fold'em.
If there is any sign or statement about taking the kid, I think you gotta play out the hand best you can. BG does not know you have a gun so you still have an Ace .. just play it well.
November 7th, 2007 08:12 PM
I've seen this in the movies.. it's easy.. you draw your weapon and fire hitting him square in the head.. duh!
Don't you guys ever watch cop shows? :)
November 7th, 2007 08:28 PM
Give him the money - then fire three warning shots to the head!
November 7th, 2007 11:06 PM
Are you sure its 3 cause I thought it was two, but you sure could be right
Originally Posted by kurk
November 7th, 2007 11:55 PM
Train your son better.
As a husband and wife team, JD and I go over scenarios like this.
If someone grabs me and demands money from my husband the BG is already at a disadvantage. He has to keep his attention on my husband to determine whether or not he is complying so he can't also have his attention on me.
Because he just grabbed me and demanded things instead of just shooting us both first and then taking whatever we have, it's safe to assume that he doesn't want to kill us (yet). HOWEVER, he may have every intention of killing my husband and taking me for other purposes. Same with if my child was involved. He may demand my money, kill me anyway and then take my kid... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
While his attention is on my husband (in the husband and wife scenario) I have a chance to at least remove a knife from a pocket. My husband sees my hand go to my pocket, he pretends to go for his wallet, and it's on.
I stab, and put the rest of my life in the hands of my husband and his good aim.
I also put my life in the hands of my husband and hope he can stop any bleeding that might have just occurred by a the wounds a suffering Bad Guy has inflicted on me by naturally curling upon injury and either cutting me or (worse yet) shooting me.
I will never assume that anyone with a gun to my head just wants the money. That's putting too much faith into someone who has already threatened my life.
Also, I would rather see my child wounded before my eyes than wonder (possibly for the rest of my life) if my child was alive, being tortured, hurt, or dead. If someone had a gun/knife to my child and demanded anything of me, I would hope I have equipped my child with enough training and trust to act and then put his faith in me that I will do the rest.
If I give over my purse, my bag, whatever, and he's still not running, he's not going to run without something else, and all that's left to take is a life and he's not getting mine or my child's without a fight. PERIOD.
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