November 18th, 2007 07:57 PM
It's a fair question, but most assuredly I would ignore the sign. My daughter's life trumps all.
Originally Posted by 2AMomma
November 18th, 2007 08:25 PM
Originally Posted by 2AMomma
I think at this point the sign is meaningless. I'm not sure about the letter of the law here, but there are a lot of other laws that can be broken(legally) when there is imminent threat to life. I can't imagine it becoming an issue.
November 18th, 2007 08:58 PM
may get chastised for this, but I'm drawing my gun, covering it by taking off my jacket so no one can see, and I'm going in right then. I'll look like just another customer to the BG's.
If I have time for phone calls to warn her and notify the police, that's good. But I'm going in, period, and I'm not waiting. I'll pretend to be an unassuming customer right up until I do what needs to be done, whether that is finding her and taking her out the back, or removing the threat altogether.
It'll be a cold day in hell before I leave my daughter inside a store alone with armed BG's, regardless of whether it costs me my life or not. I'll have the element of surprise, and the element of determination. Protection of my family is my primary reason for being on this earth, and I'm not going to shy away from it because I might get hurt. Escalate the situation? If needed to save her life, you betcha.
I couldn't live with myself if I stayed outside calling the police, and my child was killed. I'm going in now, without hesitation.
I have to agree with "grady" no way will i leave my baby boy & wife inside by themselves. I just could not live w/myself..........
November 18th, 2007 09:10 PM
Thats a heck of a story but i would of course done the same thing.
Of course the gun-haters will say "you should polity ask the BG if his gun was loaded or not before you shoot to kill"
November 18th, 2007 09:40 PM
Call my daughter and calmly tell her drop what she is doing and quietly leave the store immediately. Call 911 give info and discription of car and license plate#. Wait another 30 seconds. If daughter wasn't out I'm going in. If daughter came out we're leaving.
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November 18th, 2007 09:48 PM
Wow. Unnerving scenario. I know what the smar thing to do is here, and that is what you guys are saying: call 911.
Not me, though, friends.
If either of my daughters is in there, I am, too. I'm not drawing just because I'm going in. But I AM going in there.
Beyond that, I really don't know what I'd do. It would just depend on how the situation develops.
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November 18th, 2007 11:02 PM
I would first call 911 and would not enter the store due to the fact that I could start a gun fight in doing so. With my kid inside I would not want to do anything that would cause the BG to to start shooting.
November 18th, 2007 11:37 PM
I'm not waiting to use the phone...I'm going 'calmly' in after my family...I would try to get them out the back, but whatever happens, happens...
I've seen robbery vid's where the BG's turn their back on customers...big mistake in MY favor! This is either my chance gather family and escape out the back, or start putting out 'lights'...tricky call...damn, certainly not a situation I want to be involved in...
I don't want 'arriving police' to assume I'm part of the 'party'...I may call 911 if I can leave out the back with family in tow.
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November 19th, 2007 06:05 AM
The police did not go in, but they did not have family inside.
I heard this on the radio this morning after reading through this thread last night.
November 19th, 2007 08:11 AM
omg - ditto with those goosebumps. I also would be: 911 + walk in acting like a condition white customer
Originally Posted by Superhouse 15
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November 19th, 2007 08:37 AM
I'm going in as the unassuming customer... with my cellphone out calling my daughter. Having a conversation like where are you in the store, did you find the OTC meds you were looking for, etc. is not going to alert the BGs. Besides, they have to be aware with all the people that someone should be waltzing in at any given time. Once I cleared the BGs I can get down to the details with my daughter and have her exit the emergency door and wait by the car. Next call is 911 with the general description of the vehicle and its location.
At that point I would be making my way to the same exit as my daughter did to make sure she got out and leave the same way. The BGs will probably not be thinking straight and think the fire door alarm is a robbery alarm anyway and will probably leave right then and there.
On a side note I frequently have my little sisters in my car that are 15 and 12, respectively. I'm a volunteer firefighter and can be paged out at any time and I've already got them to the point of them asking me questions on what they should do if I'm paged-out for a fire call. Sometimes I'm taking them to the store, sometimes somewhere else and it's a good starting point for getting them to think of the what-ifs.
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November 19th, 2007 08:59 AM
This goes against the "grain" of this thread but I would not go in.
Why would I want to escalate a "no shots fired" robbery in to a "shots fired" robbery? Chances are the robbery will go down with no shots fired. If that changes I will respond appropriately.
I would assess the situation and call 911. I would also be praying and making a plan for if the situation changed, (Actually I already have a plan). Something else to think about, in conversation with convicted robbers, they expect the first person to come in the door after them to be a Police Officer. Do you want to try to get to your Daughter now?
November 19th, 2007 09:39 AM
Yup......come between me and my child and you will be one VERY sorry individual
Originally Posted by SIGguy229
November 19th, 2007 10:11 AM
With the inmates in the house I worked, there were two flavors: those that would/had killed at the drop of a hat, and those that "unarsed the AO ASAP."
Originally Posted by BikerRN
I would seriously contemplate going in. I would be reluctant to call my daughter, since one can assume a high pucker factor inside, if a robbery has just been announced, and the phone of a kid obviously under driving age starts to ring....where exactly are mom/dad, hmmm, oh, the parking lot. Maybe better, maybe worse.
Could panic the driver into leaving his buddies. You could get shot walking in. Walking in and breaking laterally would offer the BGs the front door as a ready bail-out, vs being driven into a corner of the stores trading shots with an unknown (you.)
Call 911. Good. But sirens can generate unintended consequeces as well. Is your child a better hostage than the old lady behind the counter?
Three BGs indicates at least some basic experience and planning. Most current robbery teams are violent, so....
One could of course, "approach as a regular customer", shoot the driver with a quick volley to the head & chest, and get under cover, and let the folks inside ponder what was going on...all the shooting and no sirens or squealing tires? More of an option in Colombia than Columbus, but the guys I knew would have gotten outside pretty fast, and scattered when they saw homie dead and no one around; wondering *** was going on.
No really good answers. Call 911 or go in.
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