This JUST happened to my wife... dog attack and stupid LEO

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    This JUST happened to my wife... dog attack and stupid LEO

    My wife was taking our dog (35 pounds, all bark, no bite) out for a constitutional. We live in an apartment complex. As she and the dog were rounding the corner of a breezeway, a large dog comes from the other direction acting aggressively, growling and advancing.

    Wife pulls her weapon and aims at the dog while yelling at it, with the full intention of shooting it if it doesn't back off. Then she hears from around the corner, the owner calling the dog back. Owner rounds the corner as wife is reholstering. Wife explains that dog needs to be on a leash. Owner has leash in hand. Lot of good that does!

    So they parted company on less than cordial terms, then (on my advice) wife calls PD to report incident FIRST like Ayoob recommends. While on the phone, the dispatcher feels the need to toss in a,"Why do you have a gun?" comment. She is on the way to pick our son up from school, so is told to come to the police station (right by the school) to file a report.

    At the station, and after getting her ID, the LEO tells my wife that even if she felt threatened, if she had shot the dog, she would automatically be charged with destruction of property, and if the owner calls to complain, she will automatically be charged with brandishing. He also tells her that she has broken the law by wearing her weapon into the police station (I told her it was OK), that weapons are prohibited in ALL government buildings, which is completely false.

    Talk about getting raked over the coals for defending yourself!
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    Make SURE SURE SURE she reports the entire thing, including the LEO to internal affairs, his commanding officer, anyone and everyone you can think of.
    The attitude of the leo is a (I'm afraid) of bad ju ju coming down the pike.
    I know in TN the police stations are NOT automatically off-limits unless they are posted.
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    What's the relevant VA statute covering a citizen being CHL/armed while coming into a police precinct office?

    As to the claim of brandishing, it seems to me that defense against an aggressive dog can be done at any time. Can't possibly be brandishing if the leash-toting "owner" was around the corner at the time of the aggression. Shouldn't be brandishing, period, given what was being defended against.

    Destruction of property, eh? But the dog was set loose to do its damage in the neighborhood. Seems to me that the assault on a citizen trumps that nonsense.

    And, why have a gun? God almighty. Of all people, a dispatcher knows the sort of deadly game BG's are playing, on a daily basis. It would be an inane question, if it weren't for the underlying venom dripping from the whole encounter.

    Next time I'm being assaulted by a large and aggressive dog? Damn right I'm going to do what I must in order to stop it. If that involved ******* off someone more concerned about being PC than my health and well-being, so be it.

    Document it, fully. Virginia's had its share of ridiculous engagements the past year or two. It's time it stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    He also tells her that she has broken the law by wearing her weapon into the police station (I told her it was OK), that weapons are prohibited in ALL government buildings, which is completely false.
    Hummm...If she broke the law...wonder why they didn't charge her?

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    Normally I would say let it slide and get on with life. In this instance, this PD already has a 'paper trail' on your wife...you need to make one of your own...immediately.
    Write down the exact date, times, and actions...from potential dog attack, to the police officer who gave the 'verbal spanking'.
    Look up laws, definitions, and anything else of importance.
    DO NOT let this one pass...OMO
    Report 'up the chain'...
    Clear your name and get the 'straight' story in print!

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    In Virginia, we can carry (openly or concealed) inside Police Stations. We're only prohibed from court houses, schools, houses of worship, or where posted. We can attend city council and school board meetings open carrying (as long as they are not held in a school). We can attend sessions of the state legislature with our firearms and do so. Ain't Virginia great? The police officer was dead wrong.

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    wow
    thats ridiculous
    i hope it turns out ok

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    File a complaint with IA.

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    File the complaint. Virginia is an open carry state. Carrying into a police station is NOT against the law. There are some areas where they will ask you to place your weapon into a locker, then the cops do the same thing, usually when they have prisoners in the office for questioning.

    Brandishing only applys if you hold the weapon in a threatening manner. If you are hosltering the weapon is NOT a threat. If you hold the weapon behind your leg that is also NOT brandishing.

    Recently there were instences where the Norfolk Police overstepped their bounds too. They harrassed a man lawfully carrying his pistol while picking up his wife after dark. Another where the man was in a public park and was escorted off the property just because he was lawfully carrying a pistol.

    Yes there is some deep do-do coming down the pike, even here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swabjocky View Post

    Recently there were instences where the Norfolk Police overstepped their bounds too. They harrassed a man lawfully carrying his pistol while picking up his wife after dark. Another where the man was in a public park and was escorted off the property just because he was lawfully carrying a pistol.
    A word of advice.

    We've had long discussions in the forum about these two incidents already.

    Let's not go there again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dunndw View Post
    Make SURE SURE SURE she reports the entire thing, including the LEO to internal affairs, his commanding officer, anyone and everyone you can think of.
    The attitude of the leo is a (I'm afraid) of bad ju ju coming down the pike.
    Yeah, I went to high school with the Chief. He WILL be getting a phone call tomorrow.

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    What's the relevant VA statute covering a citizen being CHL/armed while coming into a police precinct office?
    There isn't one.
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    Just because an officer was wrong in his knowledge of the law doesn't mean he is stupid. Police officers are human. They make mistakes just like you and I do.

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    Just another reason why to be weary of the law. I know there are some great police officers out there and know a few but there are way too many pompous ones with badges running around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    Just because an officer was wrong in his knowledge of the law doesn't mean he is stupid. Police officers are human. They make mistakes just like you and I do.
    There's a big difference, too, between being ignorant of the law and spouting off as though with authority that you KNOW a law exists, when in fact it does NOT.

    On the one hand, a person who doesn't know something is not necessarily stupid; on the other hand, someone who has no cause to think he knows something but insists, officiously, that he does... that one counts as "stupid" in my book.

    There's no shame in admitting that you don't know something (unless of course it's pivotal to doing your job competently); however, ya don't just go making stuff up!!

    This cop sounds like a moron. With all the well-publicized and FATAL dog-maulings that have made news in recent months (at least three down here in Florida in the last 6 months that I can remember), you'd think he was GLAD for a woman to be capable and willing to defend herself!

    I suppose this cop would also be chastising her if she ran off a would-be rapist? This gives new meaning to that aphorism about "a woman lying strangled with her own hosiery being morally superior to a woman who's defended herself with a gun"...
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    Couldn't the dog charge the lady with brandishing? I have seen talking dogs on TV (Brian on Family guy) and even dog sheriffs (Deputy Dawg).Sounds like the canine unit has the chief's ear.Seriously... we need to get over the desire to overthink every situation involving our actions. First on my list of things to avoid would be the call to police to tell on myself.Wifey needs to carry a stout walking stick when walking fluffie.Dogs are territorial and try to be the boss among other dogs, it's what they do.Little dogs are at a disadvantage but are too proud to know it. Something between yelling at the offending dog and shooting it seems a logical option.

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