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    In nature the female of the species tends to be the more dominate.

    This is seen quite evidently in the insect kingdom. Take the Praying Mantis for example: for the male, copulation could mean loosing your head...and then being eaten.

    The male tarantula stands a really good chance at being bitten during the same act.

    Females of the human species tend to be revered as the weaker, less dominate of the sexes and thus generally treated that way. Some women seem to take offense to this thought, while others use it to their advantage.

    The short of it is this: in a situation where it is me and mine or the individual posing and immediate threat to life or injury, I don't see a sex, color or religious preference. They are a danger to my welfare and will be dealt with accordingly.
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    Hesitation may cost you your life. Period.

    The hardest I have ever been punched was an uppercut from a woman that I was not expecting. I underestimated her ability and will to use force. I have sense learned that a threat is a threat no matter who it is coming from.

    I suggest for any man that doubts the ability of a woman to cause them harm, get into a martial arts or self defense class that has women members. You will learn to get rid of those doubts after the first time you get put into a submission because you were going "easy" on them. Also, if you are a woman and you doubt your abilities, get into the same. You will build confidence and increase your ability to protect yourself.

    Besides, I imagine that there is nothing more satisfying than using an armbar to make a 6'3" man rapidly tap out while crying "ow ow ow ow ow ow". At least she seemed satisfied when she did it to me.
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    I am sure this is something most guys have at least pondered on in some way but ....... in the final analysis it is "The Threat" - and that alone to which we will have to respond ...... it has to seen as genderless.

    I guess we can apply this also to the very young ... who in truth wants to be either shooting at a woman or, a youngster. Sad to say these days the possibility of a young teen employing a gun is way too real and possible and so - again ... ''The Threat'' is the deal ....... not what is attached to it.
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    Like most of you have already said, I think I'll run a split-second mental assessment of the "threat" before me. If it's a 5 ft., 100 lb. woman whose foaming at the mouth while charging me with a knife, I will probably shoot quicker than if it's a 6'-5", 250 lb., 20 year old male that is just standing there with a confused look on his face. When a knife and a little distance is involved, I will also consider running as an option. However, I wonder if the same upbringing that has us ingrained in us that it is wrong to harm a woman might also make us more hesitant to run from a woman. The male ego is weird that way.

    P95 touched on another variation of this scenario that we should give a little thought to as well. What if the threat was 10 year old kid. I can't see myself shooting a kid with a knife, but what if he's got a gun? Then what?

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    I would never hurt a woman in anger... or anything for that matter. Its just not me. Despite all the bravado that I sometimes post to make a point, I'm a gentle person.
    But, I will do what I need to do to survive. I dont think that my heart is going to care what sex the shooter was that sent the bullet that exploded it. Because of that, I dont care too.

    I think its also a training issue... most people dont expect the BGuy to be a Bgirl. Generally, thats true. But, a woman is certainly as capable as being just as dangerous as any man, with a weapon in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Cap'n - I think what biasedbulldog is saying is that he has decided that he is capable of killing if necessary, and has mental preparations in support of that decision, but that none of us can really know what we will do until we do it. That, IMO, is an honest assessment. We should all be convinced that we are capable of using our equipment as designed - we should make the decision consciously and soberly, and then train/rehearse in that mind set. However, we can never really know...


    It's not that I doubt the proper course of action or fail to prepare mentally, but until I've had my finger is on the trigger and have looked at another human being in a kill situation... I can't be entirely certain.


    As for women being dangerous... my ex-girlfriend's mom was a black belt with extensive hand-to-hand combat experience and training in firearms. Guess who got to be the demo dummy as she showed things like "groin-instep" etc to her daughter? Yours truly. I think she meant it to be intimidating, and I'll have you know I wasn't scared a bit....
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    That's old timey thinking to 'never hit a woman'.

    I recall in 6th grade coming home telling my mom about the fight of the day after school (somebody got their behind beat daily year round at school or on the walk home from school). A kid was being beaten by a same aged girl who wound up kicking him in the testicles and when he fell to the ground in pain and began to cry she attacked with vigor and kicked him twice more in the testicles and then began to kick and stomp him in the back and kidneys.
    She started the fight with the kid who everyone knew was a dork, and thus perceived to be weak and meat. She wasn't built like a tank either, she just had attitude and was emboldened by the crowd to see the boy cry and bleed and the surety in her mind that he would take a beating. That was the first but afterward I'd seen much of this occur all the way into adult hood.
    In response my mom told me at that time that if some girl laid a hand on me to either stop her or if she won't stop then well she wants to act like a boy so fight her like I would a boy. She also said that at no time should I risk or take serious injury as this kid did and let _anybody_ put their hands on me regardless of their gender.
    She grew up on a farm in Jim Crow era southern MS second oldest daughter amongst 5 brothers and three sisters and fought all comers daily just to survive, literally. A tough lady she had hands like a catchers mitt and hand speed too. She regularly would beat the tar out of her brothers and those who would come after them into her college years before she moved away.
    I'd not go go hitting a woman in the traditional thought sense.
    But if she comes at me with vigor and it's me or her, then well she's no different than a male at that point. She wants my lunch and I gotta eat.

    BTW girls and women in modern times are the fastest growing segment of violent criminals being incarcerated.
    As well checkout these recent news items...

    As reported by WFAA (TX):

    Unborn child lost in 3 attacks on pregnant women

    01:12 AM CDT on Wednesday, June 13, 2007

    By SHELLY SLATER / WFAA-TV

    DALLAS - A North Texas woman lost her unborn child Monday after she was one of three pregnant victims in separate attacks across Dallas.

    Just one month before her due date, Andrea Boyd said a random group of girls attacked her while sitting on her porch outside her home.

    "I just remember pushing her from over me and grabbing my stomach," she said.

    Boyd said the girls are no strangers to the area, and have been frequently seen driving around.

    "[They're] hanging out the car, playing music loud and nothing's being done about it," she said.

    One of the girls, Boyd said, ran up to her as she was on the porch and punched her in the face.

    "I slipped and fell," she said. "When that happened, all the girls came and they were kicking and swinging."

    Boyd said she tried to fight back against the girls.

    "So, I'm having to fight two or three girls at one time," she said.

    Boyd's mother said the attackers hit her hard.

    "I was very nervous and upset about it," she said. "She could have lost her baby. She could have lost her life."

    While the attack didn't harm her baby, another woman attacked Monday along Chapel Creek Drive did lose her baby after she too was a victim of violence.

    Elizabeth Sandejas was still at Parkland Memorial Hospital Tuesday after she delivered her baby boy only to lose him.

    Boyd said the news of Sandejas' loss made her realize how fortunate she was to walk away.

    "There's so much of this going on," she said. "I'm lucky, very lucky to have gotten out without my baby being injured."

    The third attack occurred along the 1400 block of Marsh Lane in Dallas. Authorities said the expecting mother will also be okay.

    As for Sandejas' baby, he is at the medical examiners office. If he died of natural causes, charges won't be filed. If he died of trauma, detectives said they will be looking for a homicide suspect.

    E-mail sslater@wfaa.com

    The story with video can be found at; http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw....3f72fe97.html
    There are also many stories of women attacking other women to kill them and take their unborn baby. Some women have survived such attacks going hand to hand combat with their attacker.

    Dept. of Justice 'Bureau of Statistics'

    Women offenders

    * In 1998 there were an estimated 3.2 million arrests of women, accounting for 22% of all arrests that year.
    * Based on self-reports of victims of violence, women account for 14% of violent offenders, an annual average of about 2.1 million violent female offenders.

    Source - http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#women
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    I would have no problem drawing down on a woman if she were to attempt to attack me or mine.

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    I was raised under the guide lines of and I quote my father

    "Son dont ever hit a girl, unless she hits you then knock her butt out, once she hits you she has put her man shoes on and needs to be kicked down a peg or two"

    So if she threatens me.... well
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    If the threat is there...gender will make no difference to the decision I have to make. That given, I might interpret a different threat level from a woman :vs: man...having 'similar' actions...maybe!

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    It is unfortunate but I am fairly sure a deadly female will get a few extra microseconds (at least) grace from me....but not if I can help it.
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    I can think of a few that may deserve it.

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    Somehow the thought of a female squaring off in a gunfight just does not fit the template. Females are not lumpy males. While males will challenge each other and get into a somewhat ‘fair fight’, it is rare that there will be such an encounter with females. Males will usually use a gun and aim for vital organs, females will mostly likely use poison.

    If a gun is used it is usually without warning (Winkler). What really galls me is the trend to give the death penalty to the male (how dare he), while the female gets little punishment (he had it coming). In the case of Mary Winkler it was time served, a few months in a mental hospital, oh, and here are your kids back. What kind of justice was that?
    My point being, do not expect to be challenged by a female, it is more likely you will not even see it coming.

    BTW - It's amazing, we arm ourselves to protect against strangers, but what is most likely - we will be assaulted by our spouse or a close acquaintance.

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    Dad always said if we hit a lady, we can expect a whippin' from him. But, if a woman wants to fight like a man, oblige her.

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    HEY WAIT!

    You can shoot women?
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