Bad Experiance At work Today
This is a discussion on Bad Experiance At work Today within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Ill post this as a what will you do but preface it by saying i pretty much cant refuse to enter and service unless i ...
August 17th, 2005 07:06 PM
August 17th, 2005 08:11 PM
August 17th, 2005 08:18 PM
If nothing else expect a review of a new tuckable holster in the coming months
August 17th, 2005 09:21 PM
PHEW!!! Bud - that sounded HEAVY - very heavy. In your shoes I daresay I'd have been in for at least one change of underwear - and later in the day a few measures of JD or similar.
Shucks - my imagination is running over time.
I am more than relieved you were able to get the heck outa Dodge - all in all - I suspect the closest call you may ever have had.
Glad to see you still here fella
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August 17th, 2005 09:23 PM
I think after this episode I would refuse to enter any questionable homes. Or atleast consider carrying , despite Co. policy.
August 17th, 2005 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by rocky
Lol the entering questionable home would cover ecorse inkster detroit dearborn dearborn heights even some in taylor garden city ypsi
ya get what im saying it has to be pretty bad for us to refuse people did pay good money to buy what i repair never have i been into something like that if i would have seen the stuff when i walked in i would have walked out ..
option 2 is what it will be 2 new tuckable holsters on the way
August 17th, 2005 10:31 PM
Bud, ya gotta be ALIVE to get fired. All in all, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by six (possibly 8 in my case). Heck with company policy, if the job looks creepy, I'm packin'!
Even a Smith snubbie in Scandium with full load 357's and only five rounds could get me out into the sunshine.
Imagine the muzzle blast and noise of a full house 357 in a confined space. It'd be like a FLASHBANG going off, but you'd be ready for it, while the BGs wouldn't. The stun effect might also give you some room to move.
Also, if you went for the head shot, THAT amount of brains and GORE would add to the stun effect...very detrimental to movement since it might make the next BG to act the next target...see where I'm goin' with this?
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August 17th, 2005 10:34 PM
Reason why i was saying i wouldnt make it out is i was in a small room they could shoot though walls to get me easy Qk pm'ed me and brought up a super point OC spray um first then go from there But your right too i guess we just think of dopers as so hardened criminals that it would bother them..
Now the wait for a new holster begins i have one but it wont be fun all day in my uniform
August 18th, 2005 03:44 AM
August 18th, 2005 07:28 AM
I don't know Bud. I think I'm with some of the others. I would rather be alive to be fired than dead. Although given that situation if it came down to shooting it out I think your odds were pretty bad. Just a bad deal, but you have to do what you have to do. I would think a good strong flashlight and some spray would be something. I was playing with LED lights and even with my pupils reacting I was blinded for a few seconds. Drugged up people's pupils don't react, so I imagine the pain and blindness would last longer.
I know repair guys usually get a pass, even from the hardcore. That is because they know if a repair guy gets whacked/beat/injured they will never see a repair guy in their hood again. Doesn't help the first repair guy it happens to though.
August 18th, 2005 08:36 AM
Wow! Bud that was close. I'm sure glad you got out unharmed!
August 18th, 2005 11:53 AM
That's some really scary stuff, Bud - I'm glad to see you came out okay.
(I'm looking forward to the tuckable holster review! )
"Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power." - Yoshimi Ishikawa
August 18th, 2005 12:26 PM
Sounds pretty hairy, Bud
Wonder if now wouldn't be a good time to ask management to review the policy? Might not do any good, but then again...
"I surrounded 'em"- Alvin York
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August 18th, 2005 12:36 PM
I don't know so much about this. I used to be a Sheriff's deputy at a parish run prison before I went to work for the BOP. We used OC spray on an almost daily basis there (it was kind of wild with all the types you're talking about that we had in there from New Orleans...not to mention the Mariel Cubans). At any rate, that stuff is 86% effective at best...meaning that 14 out of 100 people are not affected by it at all...I've run across those guys. If they're strung out...forget it. Also, it takes several seconds for it to take effect. And even when it does take effect, it is pretty easily fought through. I know this b/c I have been hit with it several times and it didn't really bother me THAT bad until after i had finished fighting. I'm not trying to offer you suggestions on what you should have done or what you should do in the future in a situation like that. It has its uses and is definitely better than nothing, I just want you and others to be aware that OC spray is DEFINITELY NOT some magic fight stopper.
Originally Posted by Bud White
"I find your lack of faith disturbing." - Darth Vader
August 18th, 2005 01:32 PM
Yes, You are (of course) correct. About the best you can hope for is to gain some possible advantage...buy some time & keep a few busy while you handle the rest with your firearm. It's well worth the measly $20.00 to have it with him as an available option though.
That & go into head shot "bowling pin" ~ "Steel Plate" mode.
FOX LABS now has the 5.3 OC which is more than twice as strong as what has ever been previously produced & that might help him out somewhat. It would need to be used as a possible "assist" to his "carry firearm" though. It might also help if the "Homeowner's Pit Bull" - Whoops! gets out of the Laundry Room & goes into "attack the Bud White intruder" mode.
I am thinking that Bud is really almost in a Law Enforcement type of job with specific respect that he is walking into homes in VERY BAD AREAS - alone - and without any back~up whatsoever. That's not a good thing!
I am thinking that Bud's Boss should pay for high quality Body Armor for him if he is not permitted to carry a firearm.
If I were him I would let my boss pay for a high quality B.P.V. & then break the rules & carry a firearm ANYWAY!
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