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    OK we've covered the "In Home" arena, but on the street, where there have been multiple threads about that brief moment of hesitation where the BG has flashed a weapon in waistband or a knife and you draw but do not fire...Now what?

    Fast paced game of chess, and if for some reason you do not fire, you lost the advantage.
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    Have him turn away from you, get him on his knees, have him lock his fingers together behind his head and cross his ankles, call 911 and wait..........do not search the person unless you have been trained to do that.
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    I am afraid that he will hear my warning (the report of my weapon) just AFTER the (first) bullet hits him.

    Hopefully he will lack sufficient time to (voluntarily) comply with my command to cease and desist being in my home.

    But if he does manage to heed my commands (after being shot a few times) and run out of my house, I'm good with that.
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    But the question is, say you confront a BG in your home.
    In our state, you have the right to use deadly force anytime someone enters your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, surreptitiously, or by stealth, and you reasonably believe that entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering personal violence to any person or committing a felony...if someone is in my home that I didn't invite, they fall into one of the categories mentioned above, my wife and family mean too much to me than to try and second guess a BG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    OK we've covered the "In Home" arena, but on the street, where there have been multiple threads about that brief moment of hesitation where the BG has flashed a weapon in waistband or a knife and you draw but do not fire...Now what?

    Fast paced game of chess, and if for some reason you do not fire, you lost the advantage.
    IMO, if he's flashing or showing with no attempt by his hands to "go for it," that's one thing, since I don't think THAT threat would be considered imminent. (Lots of variables/circumstances of course.) But, if he makes even the SLIGHtest furtive gesture, then it's AMF! (Adios, mother f-----!)

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    I watched 3 seconds of the movie and immediately knew what would happen.
    The BG is being portrayed by Wesley Snipes and the GG agent type (not a cop) is Ryan Phillpe (see 'Way of the Gun'), while the female I don't know who she was but clearly both agent types suck as it goes to skill and working as a team.
    As well in no movie does Snipes not make it through to the end so it was a given that the two agent types would fall for the hat on the ground I'm complying trick.

    IRL though Snipes would be leaking fluid the same color as his matching suit and hat. The male agent character would have emptied his magazine with maybe one hot on target though non-fatal. The no name female partner would have emptied half her magazine and dropped Snipes with roughly half of those shots fired.

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    First off I would position myself differently there are non combatants in the line of fire, behind Snipes. Second at "You win" is when Snipes starts making his move. As telegraphed by his hand/body movements his tone is no longer surprised or docile as it had been. That is when I would have fired. It is where Snipes begins testing the GG. By the time Snipes says "YOU WIN" regardless of the words he is saying his tone is clearly saying your are dead punk. I have tested you and you are weak BOOM.

    In my home there would be no talking. By being on my property they have already made it clear what their intent is. In fact they went by my no trespass sign that says that by proceeding they are knowingly trespassing and declaring their intent to do harm to me or mine.
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    wow, BG in my home....
    I don't run an after hours hotel and he ain't there for tea
    so, from behind cover.....if I see him no weapon in hand I'll tell him to get on the floor ONCE
    if he does so or turns tail and runs out the door then I don't shoot
    however if he makes any movement that makes me reasonably believe that deadly force is about to be used on me then I shoot
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