Couldn't sleep last night!!

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    Give your gun to your wife, have her call 911, then knock the leader out!! That way you won't feel like a wussy. Cut the head off the snake and the snake dies. If he knocks you out at least your wife can defend herself.

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    Remember that you are not alone. As others have pointed out, store manager and employees should be on your side. Hopefully, they will do their part and ask guys to leave and call 911.

    Quote Originally Posted by fernset View Post
    2. How about sending your wife out first to start up the car while you keep their attention and then bolt out on your own.
    I think it is a poor move separate myself from a loved one in conflict. Especially if she is not armed, but even if she is armed, 2 guns are better than 1. If she walked out and 1 bad guy followed her, that leaves 3 for you and her on her own... complicates things.

    My plan:

    Politely ask the gentleman to leave you alone. Do it loud enough to be heard by everyone in the restaurant including managers and employees. Do it firmly, but politely. Kick wife under table to make sure she is paying attention. Depending on where you are sitting and how far away they are if going to change your response. If they are far enough away, get up and start walking out. If they really get in your face, stand up (possibly on the booth!) yell for manager/security.

    Wife calling 911 is the best option. I wouldn't mess with OC or knives.

    These places always have multiple fire exits so don't be afraid to use them. Walk over things if you cannot walk around them. Assuming they continue to taunt you, back yourself and wife up toward exit or cash registers. If their comments turn violent (i.e. "we are going to beat your face in") draw on them. Continue to exit. Keep your eyes on their hands. If they draw a weapon or lunge forward, shoot!

    Unfortunately, a CCW is no guarantee that you will not be a victim or that you will be able to respond to every situation. All it does it give you better tools at handling it if one comes up.

    Try not to live in fear. If you must put yourself at ease, face the door, sit near exits, get your wife to carry, use the drive through late at night, move to a better neighborhood, or just stay home with an AR in your lap and a dog at your feet.

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    Thanks for the replies guys. Calling the cops seemed like the way to gobut telling the manager never occured to me.. I don't think any of this is pointless. I think if you go over senarios in your head enough hopefully thats how they will go down.

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    Agree with get manager first.

    Each state is different as to when lethal force is OK.

    If things start to go down, I would also suggest trying to get on camera if you are able to (near the counter of the store) so you will have video backup of what happened. Obviously, this may not be able to happen if it gets really bad, just something else to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braindonor View Post
    Your wussy comment, and the knives, make no sense to me.
    Well why not tell us all how to handle the situation then!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernset View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys. Calling the cops seemed like the way to gobut telling the manager never occured to me.. I don't think any of this is pointless. I think if you go over senarios in your head enough hopefully thats how they will go down.
    I keep meaning to get more experience in reading situations and moving my feet quickly with bad guys approaching you. It is good to talk about it, but even better to get some buddies together and run scenarios. Gives you a chance to judge how close "too close" actually is. A lot of people tend to freeze (deer in headlights) in tense situations and that can be bad.

    The consensus is 21 feet is the distance that someone can run in the time it takes to draw your weapon. It is more complicated indoors and less-then-perfect situations, but good estimate none the less.

    Train your feet to move so you have ample space, positional advantage, and clear exits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    I keep meaning to get more experience in reading situations and moving my feet quickly with bad guys approaching you. It is good to talk about it, but even better to get some buddies together and run scenarios. Gives you a chance to judge how close "too close" actually is. A lot of people tend to freeze (deer in headlights) in tense situations and that can be bad.

    The consensus is 21 feet is the distance that someone can run in the time it takes to draw your weapon. It is more complicated indoors and less-then-perfect situations, but good estimate none the less.

    Train your feet to move so you have ample space, positional advantage, and clear exits.
    IIRC, I recall that 21 feet is the MINIMUM distance that a BG can cover and the GG still be able to draw and fire. 21 feet is not meant as a guideline, just as a suggestion of distance. OMO
    You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, "I have lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along." . . . You must do the thing you think you cannot do. Eleanor Roosevelt

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    BAH!, Get up and walk away, not mall ninja style with your back to the door and your hand on your weapon.
    Just get up and walk away, sticks and stones and all that stuff. I don't need my gun to prove how macho I am, quite the opposite in this scenario, just walk away knowing that you CAN take care of business if they decide to push it.
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    Always best to "attack on your enemies preparation to attack". In this case, I'd change it to "remove myself from the situation on their preparation to attack". Meaning, if a bunch of guys come in and I get the vibe that trouble is brewing - especially if I have someone with me who I am going to be wanting to protect - I'd change my seat or just leave immediately. Even if I had just sat down. If a 'bodyguard' has to physically defend his charge, he has already screwed up and is in damage control mode. Awareness and avoidance.

    Alternately, let's say these guys come in and everything seems fine and then it starts up unexpectedly or I get caught off guard. I try to verbally defuse the situation along with non-threatening body language (hands up in front "fence") and make sure any witnesses nearby see and hear me trying to avoid trouble. My wife and I are also trying to move away from the threat. If they try and stop us from leaving, how are they doing that? If they have gone physical in order to do so, then I have just cause (and hopefully witnesses) to defend my wife and myself accordingly. This defense may or may not include use of my firearm depending on the many other variables in the situation - but if several (or all 4) guys are in the mix and I have legitimately but unsuccessfully tried to defuse, then it would appear we are certainly in fear of serious bodily harm...

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    if mutiple scumbags.....
    if no viable threat has appeared (as in weapon or blocking your walkway), I'd tell the family that we're going to take it home/eat on the road/etc, pick up tray and head to counter to get it sacked to take out the door, tell mgr whats going on

    now if they get up to block my path then its time to escalate things, wife call 911, me hand on my weapon, they've already committed a crime by not letting me go, if the wife getting on the phone brings on a weapon or physical contact then I'm clearing leather (or kydex lol)
    3 or 4 guys holding me against my will making physical contact with me or a family member is gonna get somebody shot (wife might beat me to it LOL)

    bottom line, we can take our cheeseburgers elsewhere to eat, I could care less what they think of my manhood
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    #3 But I would have the wife calling while I prepare for the worst. Anytime there is a pack of scum, they are no different then a pack of wolfs or pack of dogs. If anyone of them was by themself, they wouldn't have the nads to say a word. In a pack, they feel safe. 1 against 4, all it would take is for one to make the wrong move...

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