This is a discussion on What if the BG tries to leave nicely? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MattLarson You've missed the other part of the legal presumptions in Florida Statute 776.013: Regardless of where you happen to shoot the ...
Not sure if that law has actually been applied to a self-defense shooting case yet...particularly where BG was shot in the back. Again, don't wanna be a test case.
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Problem #1: If the BG in question crosses the physical barrier (any of my doors or windows) in any fashion (opening forcefully, picking locks, or breaking) we are not talking. I will say absolutely nothing to the BG in question. The last sound he hears before reporting for judgement at St. Peters' gate will be the sound of the gun blast that sends the defective merchandise in question back to the factory....
Problem #2: As per what I have described in problem 1, how is BG in question going to try and "leave"?
Oooops, I forgot, fellas. I live here in the great state of Texas where we don't have to worry about whether the BG has enough of an advantage or not.
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Call him a cab----the cab company with blue lights on top?What if the BG tries to leave nicely?
Questions abound - You walk in and find a BG in the house and he just wants to make nice and slowly leave - How do you know he is the only one in there? Is he trying to signal an accomplice for help? What has he stuffed in his pockets and is trying to make off with? And, as someone showed us earlier, what game is he now playing? Is he truely just going to call time out and leave? Why is it in so many instances that the good guy has to play by a set of rules that protects the bad guy and we get hosed no matter what?
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"A government is like fire, a handy servant, but a dangerous master." -- George Washington
This was just on the nightly news a few minutes ago:
News - ABC4.com
A man and a woman were in bed asleep in their apartment, guy breaks in through the deadbolt, goes to the bedroom, jumps on the woman and starts to fondle her, the guy in bed reaches for his gun...and waits, then shoots the guy...once! The the perp climbs off the woman, and starts to walk out, the lady blocks his exit, the guy then smashes a window and jumps out...gets away across the street, then passes out! The police arrive on scene, arrest him, take him to the hospital, and now is under protective custody...is there something wrong with this scenario, where is her boyfriend when she's blocking this guy's exit??? (check out the video clip that goes with the story)
Why do you own a fire extinguisher when you have the fire department to protect you?
In the unlikely event that I would be able to enter my house with the BG unawares (READ - hears me coming and starts his/her escape - confrontation is a non-issue, the BG is gone) here is what would happen with me given the OP scenario.
ME: Draw weapon, aim COM while moving for suitable coverish , "HEY!" nothing more said.
BG: Turns and is just as surprised as I am, puts hands in air, the chess game begins.
Way too many variables here. I will order the BG to kneel and keep hands up, while my weak hand is dialing 911 on my cell. Any other movement will have to be a judgment call.
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That said, I am still firmly of the opinion that there is never a justification to shoot someone unless they pose a genuine threat. An intruder who has suddenly come to the realization that he picked the wrong house to break into and is trying to leave isn't, IMHO, a valid target for deadly force.
I'll be watching him over the sights as he leaves, but I'm not going to shoot him just to prevent his departure.
Frankly, I wonder how many of the "if he's in my house, I am going to shoot him" set have ever actually seen someone shot.....
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Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
Not an imminent deadly threat (capability, proximity, intent) and I can retreat safely = let him go and call 911. But consider the following:
1. Perhaps the BG did not initially comply because his adrenalin is dumping and he is experiencing auditory exclusion. When confronting BG at home and issuing a command to drop, I'd want to yell loud enough to increase the chance he hears my command.
2. How do I know he doesn't present a credible threat to life or limb if I don't detect a weapon? Consider this...a practiced individual can cause serious damage with a blow of their hand to throat, nose, etc.
Perhaps someone else can provide additional insight to these considerations.