I live next to a teenage burglar

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    You are doing all the right stuff - staying on top of it with the police and neighbors - not much more you can do.

    Chances are he will end up in juvie or jail before long and then at some point his family will leave and hopefully that'll be the end of it.

    Until the next loser moves in... gotta get that section 8 revoked.
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    Heres some legal stuff that might help you: (a PHA is an non federal entity that administers Section 8 programs/funds)

    24 CFR Sec 982.551(L) - Crime by household members. The members of the household may not engage in drug-related criminal activity or violent criminal activity or other criminal activity that threatens the health, safety or right to peaceful enjoyment of other residents and persons residing in the immediate vicinity of the premises (see § 982.553).


    24 CFR Sec 982.553(c) Evidence of criminal activity. The PHA may terminate assistance for criminal activity by a household member as authorized in this section if the PHA determines, based on a preponderance of the evidence, that the household member has engaged in the activity, regardless of whether the household member has been arrested or convicted for such activity.


    The only problem may lay here:

    24 CFR Sec 982.553(b)(2) Terminating assistance for other criminals. The PHA must establish standards that allow the PHA to terminate assistance under the program for a family if the PHA determines that any household member has violated the family’s obligation under § 982.551 not to engage in violent criminal activity.

    The PHA needs to have some sort of guidelines as to what is the criteria to cease participation on the Section 8 program. There may be some guidelines as there may be non at all. My advice is to file a complaint with the Lakewood Housing Authority (Lakewood seems to be the PHA for your area from the details you have given [Tenant Based Section 8])

    If the PHA doesn't help you, try HUD's Regional Office. Of course you can always try HUD's OIG.

    Not all Section 8 participants are criminals. Many are elderly or disabled people. Others are low wage workers and even veterans. Definetly do your best to prevent your neighbors from receiving any more aid, since they seem not to deserve it.

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    I wanted to take a time-out here to say something. It has been brought to my attention that blaming Section 8 housing for my problems is akin to blaming guns for crime.

    I couldn't agree more and I'm sorry. I do not object to Section 8, and really shouldn't have framed it that way at all. In this case, the problem lies squarely and inexorably on the owner and tenants of this property who are willfully ignoring the requirements and responsibilities of being Section 8 participants (in many more ways than what I've described).

    I do agree with the last post, many are elderly and the disabled. I will try to keep the blame where it really belongs from now on. :) Apologies if I came across sounding like a bigot.
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    You folks that have had posts deleted from this thread.
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    sorry to hear about all your troubles. good luck and be safe.
    hope they catch em soon,with the weapons(don"t need those
    on the streets).good to hear you have neinbors that are helping
    out also.alot of times,some people just don"t want to get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPR View Post
    This is an oddity in our neighborhood. All a result of the Section 8 classification. They are renters. We are owners. The owner of that particular house doesn't care, because half of his rent payment is guaranteed from the government every month. They're paying half his mortgage. We've been here for over 15 years, no way are we gonna pack our bags everytime an undesirable blows through.

    However, I am going to try to get the section 8 revoked. That will probably take some time, however.
    ive never heard of having a section 8 house in a residential neighborhood. in Austin they are all set up as apartment type dwellings all together by themselves. some of them pretty nice looking w/good people and some of them full of scum, but never a house just set off alone in a neighborhood...weird
    i would not like that to happen in my neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormbringerr View Post
    ive never heard of having a section 8 house in a residential neighborhood. in Austin they are all set up as apartment type dwellings all together by themselves. some of them pretty nice looking w/good people and some of them full of scum, but never a house just set of alone in a neighborhood...weird
    i would not like that to happen in my neighborhood.
    They do that all the time. I hate to say it but my old neighborhood went to the dogs for that very reason. What was once a quiet and peaceful neighborhood turned real ugly real fast.

    I also own 4 rental houses and I could rent them under section 8 but declined to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPR View Post
    Allegedly.
    Anyway... isn't it nice to know that your 15 year old gangbanger neighbor is the prime suspect in a burglary where guns were stolen?
    I know what you're going through. Years ago I had a next door neighbor kid that started out the same way, breaking unto houses, stealing guns and anything else of value. He even broke into his own house (broke a door to make it look like there had been a break in) He then graduated to producing and distributing meth.

    He eventually got caught, did a plea to get a reduced sentence, then got out early on parole. Don't take any chances with this guy or his friends.
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    We have had a couple of homes in my development become section 8 so I feel your pain. Gangster types. Loud car stereos at all hours, trash thrown in the yard, beer bottles, ignorant people that stand in the middle of the street at all hours and refuse to move for uncoming traffic, unsupervised toddlers playing in the street, police cars constantly at those homes. Heck the other night the police were chasing one on a crotch rocket through our subdivision. I talked to one of the officers who was searching for the suspect. When my wife I moved here 7 years ago in was a awesome place. The last year and half not so nice. We can't move right now because we can't afford to and if we sale in this market we might take a beating on the equity we have in our home.

    Watch your back and stay armed as much as possible. I would invest in a good security system. Keep the security system on when you are gone and at night. Consider getting a big dog as well to keep in the house. That might be your best deterent right there. I would recomend a Boxer because they are protective, mean looking, but on the other hand are great family dogs that aren't agressive with children. I have a 100 pound Lab right now. She will not guard but she will bark and is relied on mainly for early warning along with my security system.

    I am going to leave you with this true story from my neck of the woods. This happend to a fellow on a Georgia message board I belong to. The guy from the board comes home one day to find that his home had been broken into. He immediately goes to grab his pistol but it had been stolen. Thankfully the perp hadn't stolen his SKS rifle. He grabs his SKS and calls 911. He notices that some of his electronics and other valuables have stacked in a pile in his den. He tells 911 that he believes that the perp is coming back and that he believes him to armed because his pistol has been stolen. He hears a noise at his back door and it is the perp coming back. The man aims COM and fires a couple of times dropping the perp. Perp doesn't die immediately but is on the floor crying out, "You shot me. Why? I wasn't doing anything." Finally before the perp dies he says "I was trying to get my life back on track." Perp wound up being the 20 something year old son of his next door neighbor. He had recently been paroled from prison. The shooter wasn't charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    The man aims COM and fires a couple of times dropping the perp. Perp doesn't die immediately but is on the floor crying out, "You shot me. Why? I wasn't doing anything." Finally before the perp dies he says "I was trying to get my life back on track." Perp wound up being the 20 something year old son of his next door neighbor. He had recently been paroled from prison. The shooter wasn't charged.
    Burglary is getting "back on track"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluelineman View Post
    Burglary is getting "back on track"?

    I know. Even while lying on the floor dying the guy was making up lies and excuses.

    BTW, a couple of my "finest" students skipped school one day and broke into a house and stole a bunch of guns out a of safe. An neighbor saw this and called the police thankfully. No telling what those kids had planned. I have a feeling that I could have been part of their plan since I deal with "discipline issues."

    Criminals are getting younger and younger every day it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormbringerr View Post
    ive never heard of having a section 8 house in a residential neighborhood. in Austin they are all set up as apartment type dwellings all together by themselves. some of them pretty nice looking w/good people and some of them full of scum, but never a house just set of alone in a neighborhood...weird
    i would not like that to happen in my neighborhood.
    Yup, happens often. Its going to happen a lot more now that a lot of homes are bank owned and sitting empty.

    I absolutely hate section 8 housing... it turns neighborhoods into absolute garbage in a short amount of time. I've seen it over and over where I work.

    As a side note, I used to volunteer doing the Habitat for Humanity thing...I do no more. The last one I helped on is in the area that I work. It has turned a nice otherwise quite historical street into borderline ghetto, all because of one house with dirt bags living in it.
    I started going back to look at the other homes I helped with. (9 total) All but one looked like Sanford and Son moved in. I can’t do that to the neighbors anymore; I know I'd be ticked if they built one in my 'hood.
    If somebody wants to be my neighbor, I hope they get a job and pay for it on their own like the rest of us. It is the only way they will appreciate it as much as I do.
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    OK...enough with the Section 8 housing comments.

    Personal opinions have been duly noted.
    The thread is really about BlackPR and his troublesome neighbors who just happen to be living in a Section 8 but, there are PLENTY of bad neighbors who own their own homes and no shortage of terrible neighbors who rent in non-Section 8.

    Let us try to restrict our comments to what specifically will be of useful help to the member and (from this point forward) "can" the extraneous, personal opinion Section 8 housing comments that serve no real useful purpose save to sidetrack the thread away from what will directly benefit the member.

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    OK then, I do happen to know that enough neighbors complain, they will revoke the 8 status and away goes the bad neighbors.
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    BlackPR, I feel your pain. At least Lakewood's finest are doing something. In Edgewater (1 square mile with our own police force = 12 officers, 15 patrol cars) they prefer to just wait it out, the criminal will stop eventually, or move on to the next jurisdiction.

    We had the same thing happening a few months ago. Some high school student, already on a home arrest bracelet hit 21 houses in 3 months. Finally got caught by some 70 something retired guy who saw him hitting his neighbors house, called the cops, grabbed his pistol and went after him. Not smart, but the week before the kid stole 2 guns.

    Stay armed, teach the wife to shoot the scatter gun, and get your neighbors to watch each others back. If I remember correctly, you have an alarm system that calls you, you might want to add one of your neighbors to the list of recipients.
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