Lethal force to prevent child abduction?

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    Lethal force to prevent child abduction?

    Talk on the radio brought up in my mind a situation that I didnt know right away how to resolve: Can you use lethal force to prevent a child from being abducted? Of course it might not be clear if something is a true abduction if you dont know the child--it could be horseplay or a parent dealing with an unruly kid, but if you KNEW the child was being abducted (your own kid etc) could you use lethal force?

    If the abductor was unarmed?

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    I would assume the legal answer would depend on where you lived.

    But IMO, do whatever you need to do with the least amount of force that will be successful.

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    Although I don't have kids, if I did and I was in such a situation, I would not hesitate for a milisecond. I'd rather face a court for murder than have a child taken away and potentially raped/killed. I don't care if the abductor is armed or not. If that child leaves your sight with the stranger, there's a good chance you'll never see him again.

    This is one of the few times I'd say "screw the law, do what you need to do". Family comes first.

    However, I don't think many juries would convict you for it, if the case was reasonably clean-cut.

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    What pete said. Given the alternative I know I would rather face a jury for defending my childeren from abduction, and God knows what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeGoob View Post
    ... but if you KNEW the child was being abducted (your own kid etc) could you use lethal force?
    Absolutely.

    Oregon's got it right:
    Oregon Revised Statutes 161.219 Limitations on use of deadly physical force in defense of a person.

    Notwithstanding the provisions of ORS 161.209, a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
    1. Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
    2. Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
    3. Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]

    If the abductor was unarmed?
    Can't possibly know that. One must assume that further violence is about to be done to a child ... my child. I won't allow that, no matter the cost to the BG. Even if it kills him.
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    If somebody tries to abduct my G/daughter the last thing they hear will be the sound of my 45,In Texas i have the right to us lethal force to prevent a kidnapping

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    Same applies to this as it does every other situation; if the life of the child is in danger.
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    I don't have kids but I can say with relative certainty that if someone was abducting my nieces or nephews I would not hesitate to shoot them and would be quite ok with facing a jury for doing so, even if the end result is going to prison. I can't even begin to imagine living with the fact that I might have been able to keep one of the little ones from harm but chose not to because I was afraid of what might happen to me if I did.
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    If my child were being abducted I really wouldn't care what the law said.

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    Good to go in Michigan, although I believe the "OK" doesn't apply if the abductor is a parent or something, then you would have to otherwise believe the childs' life was in danger. I think it can be reasonably believed that a childs' life was in danger if a stranger was trying to leave with a kid, but I ain't on your jury.
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    You better believe if it were my girls I would stop the kidnapper. With the freaks today the chances of them staying alive is minimal.

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    Kidnapping is a Forceable Felony, you should be covered by the law. Honestly though... I wouldn't care much about the law if my child was in danger. I would kill someone trying to take my child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joleary223 View Post
    Kidnapping is a Forceable Felony, you should be covered by the law. Honestly though... I wouldn't care much about the law if my child was in danger. I would kill someone trying to take my child.
    +1 Would not think about it, would not hesitate.
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    If the BG is kidnapping my child, or for that matter any child that I am 110% sure is a kidnapping, he may very well find ventilation holes in the front, side, or even his back, because the child is not leaving as long as I am breathing and have ammo.


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    I wouldn't think there is a prosecutor good enough to get a conviction in this scenario. The only exception I can think where you might get jammed would be stopping a parental abduction. Even though a non-custodial parent is doing the kidnapping the circumstances might not help your case get an acquittal.

    Otherwise I think you are in good shape to plug the guy/gal.
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