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April 10th, 2008 05:56 PM
Condition 3! By the time a kid can cycle the slide on a .45, and probably even a 9mm, they probably have been shooting .22 for a year or two, and know what guns are and how to be safe around them.
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April 10th, 2008 06:17 PM
My gun remains holstered and on my person when I am awake with the exception of taking a shower or sleeping. Those times it is in my night stand or in the bathroom with me and with the door locked. Nothing is absolutely foolproof except locking it up and that does not make it accessible.
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April 10th, 2008 06:53 PM
My brother-in-law and his wife had their first child last July. He's one of my shooting buddies at times and his wife grew up in Alaska with several brothers (very gun friendly). Anyway, we were sitting at dinner one night and she mentioned they wanted some way to secure his Charter Arms Bullpup but still have it readily accessible.
Part of my next check went to buy them a Gunvault Deluxe Maxivault. They both seemed happy with it and the Maxivault has two shelves for handguns and other valuables. Hopefully, his wife will eventually get her own gun and they'll need the second shelf for it.
Gunvault offers several models and MidwayUSA has good prices on them:
MidwayUSA - GunVault Deluxe MulitVault Personal Electronic Safe 10" x 8" x 14" Black
April 12th, 2008 10:05 PM
an attempt to summarize?
I think there's lots of good advice you've gotten here.
To distill it, there are two sides to this coin. BOTH are critical:
1. Childproof your guns immediately. (Locks, safes, otherwise secured)
2. Gunproof your children when they are of appropriate age. (Demystification, education, etc.)
Remember that they go together; after children reach school age, neither step will work in isolation...
April 12th, 2008 10:50 PM
wow, i was raised in a hunting household but i didn't even know that guns were in the house until i was old enough to shoot them (about 6 or 7), and before that i had learned gun safety with my uncles bb guns from the time i was 5. i understood that guns were not toys and i should not touch them, but i was also a smart kid and the one or two times i snuck into my dad's closet to oggle the old .30-30 i killed my first deer with i knew to make sure it was cleared first. get them a little daisy bb gun (that's underpowered enough not to hurt you seriously if the child is thick headed) and teach them to shoot safely in the back yard, and explain to them how dangerous it is to play with guns, and that guns need to be a secret that their friends don't need to know about.
April 13th, 2008 01:36 AM
Both of my boys (>5 years old) know I shoot and carry. When they were old enough to understand, I began introducing them to firearms. It started with the NRA's Eddie Eagle program (stop, don't touch, find an adult), then with constant reinforcement and periodic checks to see if they understand--like when I take my gun off or when cleaning. My youngest appears to understand, as he will tell me that he's not supposed to touch my guns....or yells at the top of his lungs (while at home)..."Mommy! Daddy has his guns out!"
Needless to say, the gun curiosity factor has diminished (but is not absent). Both boys know if they want to see any gun, all they have to do is ask. By that same token, they know that talking about my guns with friends is not appropriate, but then again, my youngest is his father's son and therefore lacks any form of tact.
When my oldest became old enough, he received his own .22 that he shoots and cleans (under my supervision)...and it is secured in a safe for safe keeping when not being used or cleaned.
My advice, when they begin to understand, begin taking away the mystery of firearms by showing it to them...let them hold it (unloaded of course)...get them to know guns are not toys (they're heavy!).
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April 13th, 2008 05:27 PM
My Wife and I carry in our house now, so everything that's not on us is locked in a safe, separate from ammunition which is kept high and out of reach (primarily out of concern re:lead & children). At night, I have a biovault bolted to my nightstand and my EDC is put away there. My wife locks hers up in the regular safe and goes for our shotgun for bumps in the night.
I used to keep a shotgun ready to go but now that I have a daughter times have changed. I do keep a shotgun with a full magazine, safety on, chamber empty high and out of reach in the closet. Once she's old enough to figure out how to get up there, I'll have to address that issue as well.
April 13th, 2008 06:24 PM
Military Boarding Schools are great for sending "young children" off to. :)
That way, they stay away from your firearms and you get to see them on Christmas Break. All kidding aside, I would be looking to invest in a safe of some sort and have all guns stored in there. Beside the bed I would get a safe that holds one or two handguns and can be opened by use of a "touchpad".
Every gun owner should have a safe or two to properly secure guns, valuables and "important papers".
April 13th, 2008 07:06 PM
I'd have a concern about this. Child makes the millionth attempt at opening and now the safe is totally locked and no way to open it except by key. Child does not tell you and you do not find out. The real boogey man breaks down your front door and you try to open the safe without the key. The real key is hid somewhere else (separate from the safe). What are you going to do now? Clock is ticking.
Originally Posted by farronwolf
I have a boy soon to be 1 year old. Gun vault for my wife, one for me and I will probably pick up another one to put downstairs.
My gun vault in bedroom gets me enough time to open the real gun safe in bedroom closet with access to Rem 870 w/ 00 buck, AR, AK and an assortment of short arms.
You will hear gun proof your kids (teach them safety, eddie eagle, etc ...) You will also hear that you should kid proof your guns (keep them locked up (the guns, not the kids ) at all times unless on your person.
I say do both. When you control your environment, kid proof your guns (safes) and gun proof your kids (teach them about firearms and safety). When your kids are at another environment, e.g., school, a friends house, etc. .... You can only really count on the fact that you gun proofed your kids (so they make the right decisions).
I wish us all well on this one!
April 13th, 2008 08:03 PM
You explain guns like any other dangerous tool in the workshop...my boys (now in their 30's) never touched my guns, but they were allowed to go shooting with me, and eventually learned to also shoot.
When the grandkids are around, or neighbor's kids, all guns not on my person, are locked in one of two safes.
I can get to them in an 'electronic' second. Be upfront with the weapons, you must give answers to their curiosity...
Stay armed...use a safe...stay safe!
Proverbs 27:12 says: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.”
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April 13th, 2008 08:06 PM
Hmm, lets see. If you put the gun in the quick access safe, (which happens to reside in my bedroom closet) before going to bed. Son is already asleep. I know for a fact that the safe hasn't been tampered with, because I just opened it to put the pistol into it. So if said bad guy breaks into the house, I was the last person to access the safe, and am sure that it will open up. At this time there are 3 loaded pistols available to me, my 9mm, a .380, and a .357.
Originally Posted by sojourner
And yes, if you have read some of my other posts, my son is pretty gun proofed already, since he has been with me when I shoot since before he could walk.
Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.www.ddchl.com
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April 13th, 2008 09:25 PM
This link was posted a week or so ago in a thread like this, it has a kids and guns section that may give you some ideas.
For me the guns are in the safe, pardon the one iwb.
April 13th, 2008 09:51 PM
Working on our first baby (he's in the oven and doesn't even have fingers yet so I guess I don't have to worry about him fingering guns just yet) but I grew up in a gun home.
When I was VERY young (less than 4) I always wondered why my parents had such a VERY strict rule about not stepping foot in their bedroom if they did not give express permission.
The consequence for breaking that rule was very severe. I feared my parents bedroom like I feared the drier (even worse).
It wasn't until I was much older and shooting with my Dad that I realized that we even had guns in the house.
Then I watched him take them in his bedroom. He never brought them out. I put two and two together over time.
Every time the guns came out we were instructed in safety, and when my Dad thought we were ready he moved a revolver from his bedroom to a bookcase in the living room for all of us to access if we needed it in self defense when our parents weren't home.
We are trying very hard to establish good rules now before our little one is born. We already have a safe and right now the rule is that if it's not on us it goes in the safe.
We do take out the shotgun every night for home defense but no round is in the chamber. It would take a lot for a little one to rack a round in the chamber of a shotgun.
My parents had good rules and put the fear of God into us to obey them. It worked too. None of us went snooping and no one got hurt.
I'm hoping we'll be able to have the same success with our children.
April 13th, 2008 09:57 PM
Always keep them locked, but readily accessible by you. Children will ALWAYS find a way into things that they're not supposed to get into.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch; Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
-- Benjamin Franklin
April 13th, 2008 11:29 PM
We have four children, and I had guns all over the house long before I even met my wife. At the risk of sounding a bit terse, the real issue is one of obedience, not curiosity. We never baby-proofed our house, we just took time to explain to them from day one that some things are "No-No's" and never cut them any slack. My house is also full of knives, swords, razors, kama, axes, - we're a virtual museum of human destruction, yet we've never had an incident because they were taught. If any had /has a question about any firearms (or other destructive object), we would/will break it down, spread it out on the table, show how the parts work, re-assemble it, and do a "dry-fire" routine together (or take the object in the back yard, and learn to swing/hack/throw/whatever), thus leaving no reason or excuse for secret explorations. They figured out real fast that it's more fun to be taught properly than to try to "guess" at something. For one, it took 4-5 times per gun; another one was totally sated and bored half-way through the first run. They all still know that they need only ask and we'll do it again, no problem. (FWIW, they actually index their trigger fingers on their water pistols while chasing each other in the yard. They really do learn!)
Originally Posted by jmm076
Back to the "obedience" thing: If they have no excuse to disobey, they are less likely to. They are small, but still sentient.
Another "Plus" is that they have always been welcome (as in "invited," not just "accepted") at other's houses because they didn't mess with things that they knew they shouldn't.
Admittedly, the fact that they have all been home-schooled has a lot to do with it, too - any outside influence that tried to usurp our authority as parents was discussed, then dismissed - permanently, if need be.
I hope this helps; at least, something to think about. I've always believed that children are marvelous critters that will live up to - or, down to - the parent's expectations. I expect mine to be civilized and polite, and they know it.
Enjoy your kids every moment. If you don't, they'll know. Parenting has been the greatest privilege (and adventure!) of my life.
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