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Why not keep a door key in your pocket and lock the door when you are refueling?
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Better yet, keep 2 working copies for that time when it falls out of your pocket and you lock yourself out. I keep a spare in my wallet.Originally Posted by CorpsVet
The whole idea of jumping in the back reminds me of a joke about 'roman driving'.
That's what I was thinking...
I would hope that one would be much more aware of a potential situation prior to watching a BG jump into my vehicle...I certainly would NOT jump into the back of the truck. (I'd probably need a step ladder to get in anyway...).
I watch EVERYONE when I'm getting gas. I know my small town gas station, and I know WHO looks out of place anyway...
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Most states have laws against leaving an unattended motor vehicle running to prevent somebody from just hopping in a vehicle and taking off,also if you left you're truck running and shot somebody trying to steal it,did you not create a situation that had the truck not been running the guy wouldn't of tried to steal it.A prosecutor may go after you on shooting a guy under those conditions.
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stan... all my vehicles have a key wired to the frame and covered in tape to keep them clean for those times I get locked out. As I get older, seems like I need them more and more often...............
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I see alot of people who leave their diesel running while they fill up. I'll be the stupid one and ask why you leave it running? Personnally I would let him have it unless one of my family members are in it. I do sometimes leave my gas engine running when I run into a quickmart but I have the key fob with me so I can lock and unlock the vehicle. I leave it running for a/c purposes. If I think I'll be in there for more than a couple minutes I don't leave it running. But as far as chasing and jumping into a vehicle that doesn't have a family member in it, no I wouldn't. The bg could see you back there and be so concerned with you that he may pull out in front of Mr 18 wheeler and then everyone has a bad day.There are a number of things that could happen while he has control of the vehicle that you would be powerless to stop.
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First: At what point in this encounter are you in reasonable fear of extreme bodily injury or in reasonable fear for your life?
Second: Firing your gun at the truck or from the bed of the moving truck is more dangerous than what he thief is doing.
Third: Say you do wound the thief with that miracle shot to the leg but he loses control of the truck and plows into a school bus full of kids on their way to Elitche's...
Now, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't pull the gun and try to scare him. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to foil the car-jacking before he gets behind the wheel and is driving away.
But if you're bent on jumping into the bed of the pickup, do it. He has to stop sometime and when he does, you got your gun. You also have your cell phone. Call 911 from the bed of the truck and vector the police right to your 10-20.
PS I know that it's best to idle your truck for short periods of time vs. shutting it off but, companies like FedEx require their couriers to shut of the engines at every stop; regardless of the damage that it might do to their trucks. And it's against the law.
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It's insured.
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Ah... that's why I have insurance. Take the truck, I'll get a new one!
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Read the decals on the fuel pump, I would have to guess they say to "shut off vehicle", if you don't, you are most likely violating a fire code, now they steal your truck while it's running, my guess is you will have some explaining to do.
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"Pickup owners...Filling up the tank"
Costs me $65 if the tank is close to empty.
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What would I do? Turn off the car, lock it, fill up the gas, pay inside, and avoid the situation by eliminating the option for the BG in the first place.
I would not shoot someone fleeing in my car. It's insured, and my life is worth more than jumping into the bed of a moving pickup truck. My state has just enough liberal idiots to string me up by the toes defending my actions, if I were to shoot to stop the threat to my life, if I had willingly jumped into the truck bed myself and then ended up using force to make the BG more compliant. But that's just me.
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my fill 'er up hole is on the left side of the vehicle (drivers side). lock the passenger's side and leanon the drivers side door as you watch your money go down the tube.
Always pay at the pump.
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In a diesel the wear and tear is in the start-up. For short stops it is best to leave it idling. The one I liked was at a place I fueled a farmer was filling his 55 gallon drum with diesel while smoking. The soccer mommie behind him was freaking out. You can put a lit cig out in diesel. Vapors aren't an issue either.
When I'm not paying the bills to keep it running I'll comply with any old policy someone else has on their trucks. When I am paying the bills I'll operate it for the optimum performance and longevity. The stations I used didn't require diesels shut down when fueling.
Missed that you were going to shoot him in the leg while riding bronco in the bed of the truck. Also illegal in VA as that is shooting to wound. He may get some time for stealing your rig, but you will get a lot more for shooting him in a non-self defense case.
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This is what I thought of also. It isn't worth it to try and shoot the person because I am not being threatened at this point.
BTW - you can drop a lit cigerette in gas and the cigerette will go out. Gas doesn't burn, only it's vapors does...
And turning your car off at the pump is not a law, there is nothing illegal about it. It is a recommended guideline, and the attendant may shut your pump off for not following that guideline.
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