I wouldnt have left my home directly after that encounter.
This is a discussion on 5:30 on a Sunday evening within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I wouldnt have left my home directly after that encounter....
I wouldnt have left my home directly after that encounter.
"Just blame Sixto"
Sounds like you did fine to me. Did you make some mistakes? Yes. Did you do most things correctly? Yes. As much as we plan and train, nothing is ever going to go exactly as we hope for. You did what you needed to do, you adapted and overcame the obstacles you were faced with.
Glad you are smart enough to piece together how you could have improved upon your actions, much more glad to hear that your family is safe.
One thing...yesterday was Saturday!
A man in the hands of his enemies is flesh, and shudderingly vulnerable. - author unknown
What about the guy who rings the doorbell...no one home, then goes around back for B&E?
I suspect your instincts were right on. Nothing happened because you were home. If you had NOT been home, may well have been a different story.
I think SIXTO may also have been alluding to the fact that this guy could well have been casing your house.
You done good, my friend.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
That's the difference between my wife and me: I know the evil men are capable of--she refuses to acknowledge it.
Thanks for all your comments. I appreciate all of them, even the ones I didn't comment on. This event drove some principles home. I'm not making the same mistakes again.
Thank you all.
Maybe he got worried when you stuck your hand in your pants, thought you had the hots for him.
I think you handle it well. My wife says that I am unfriendly at times too. Especially when I change into my MC instructer's voice. But she is learning.
If he refused to answer your questions, and kept giving you that "I'm just meeting people" crap instead of stating his real business, he WASN'T "Trying to earn an honest dollar". He was trying to con you into whatever.
I'm sorry, but in this day and age where home invasions occur far too often, and many times result in murder, door to door salesmen, etc. are not welcome at my house.
If he was selling something, he should have been smart enough not to approach the garage door, but wait outside, away from the house where he could be seen and talked to openly.
Your thought on people trying to make a living is a good one, but in this situation, I don't feel it has a place, not when the safety of your family is concerned.
When you listen to your wife disagree with you on these issues, remember that she, and your daughter, are here (alive) to have that conversation.
Your family and you are alive; that's all that matters.
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I don't think you overeacted at all. First he said he was just trying to meet people, then said something about a trip to europe. That would for sure send a flag up for me. At that point I would have known he was after money and people do crazy stuff for money. As soon as he reached behind his back he would have been in trouble. I don't think I would have been as calm as you. There are no do-overs in this world. I say good job, you were aware and were willing to take steps to defend your family. Nobody reacts 100 percent correctly in these situations. IF there is any way to act correctly. You stood your ground without having to pull your weapon. Now he knows you are not going to be a victim and you didn't pull your weapon so he can't run to the cops and say you pulled on him.
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I'd call the police now and describe the guy, there was probably a break in in the past 24 hours. Also let me second, or third Buy a video system preff Nighttime capable and place at the front door, back door and garage at least. Most of these systems are relatively cheap and send out a video signal. You can buy a Video to TV converter at WAL Mart for $20 and have it on CH4 throughout the house. Or a lot can play through your home network/you can watch the hose periodically while on vacation (Look for a Nanny Cam type system)
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You do not work for them, they work for you.
What is "over-reacting" to many is what I consider being reality based. What many label as being "paranoid" or "OCD" or "over-reacting" is just smart, street-wise, common sense oriented thinking as far as I am concerned. I've been called all of these things before but I am the one that will be the least likely to be victimized so who cares?
I am impressed to read how you reacted to this kid and you are being modest by saying you did anything wrong at all. We do not live in a bubble and cannot keep our guard up perfectly 24 hours a day. While avoiding conflict is important, having the sheep dog / warrior mindset if TSHTF is most important.
I had a similar situation almost twenty years ago. A scummy looking dude with a bandana and no shirt or shoes was trying to mooch money from me while I was washing my truck. He would NOT take "no" for and answer (several no's, and a "I don't have any money"). After watching him grab something from behind him that I could not identify (he kept it in a semi-closed hand) he was following me around my entire truck as I was retreating to my driver's door. I opened the door and kept it between us as I grabbed my five shot Ruger .357 (SP-101?) revolver. As he stepped around so that the door was not between us, he saw the .357 hollowpoints staring at him as I saw that he had an unlit cigarette in his hand. He said "Hey I don't want to get shot, I just wanted a few bucks." I replied "It looked like you had a knife." He then said "I'm Old Joe and everybody knows me".
I replied "I don't know you, get out of here!"
As a side note, I kept the car-wash sprayer in my other hand to use as a prod to keep him away from me long enough to unload my magnums into him in case he did have a knife. Now days, knowing how incredibly deadly a knife is, and the 21 foot rule, and the fact that in the last nine years I have had a permit to carry concealed, I would probably egress more at the first sign of a possible conflict. Back then, my gun was close by, but, not on me the whole time.
There have been many occasions over the years where I was happy my weapon was nearby.
Cheers to CCW!
Last edited by PShooter; April 28th, 2008 at 02:26 PM.
This is really really interesting. Same ploy happened to me and my gf in our apartment about 2 years ago. A big burly guy was knocking and had the exact same story yours did. I had the door half open to where he could see my right side, with my 9mm in my left hand hidden behind the door. He kept trying to hand me stuff and kept asking me if i'd ever been to europe. What struck me as odd is he said he was a student and he was definitely over 25 yrs old and not dressed as if he lived in the neighborhood. He also appeared to be trying to look behind me. I remember finally telling me him I had to go and shut the door in his face.
Struck me as really odd, to which i promptly reminded my gf to never open the door ever if i'm not home and she wasn't expecting anyone.
Sounds like a good outcome to me. If he was a "salesman" of some sort, I think he would have been more neatly kept. Maybe looking for trouble, maybe not, but here you are telling the story.
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Grady, what part of near St. Louis are you. We live in the West County area, with family in St. Chuck. We'll keep on the lookout for this guy. Lately, there have been a lot of people here in parking lots trying to get people to sign their petition..or some crap.