Difference Between Today and 30/40 yrs Ago

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    Difference Between Today and 30/40 yrs Ago

    In 1970 or thereabouts I was coming out of my apt building in the city and I was holding a trash bag. The neighborhood was sort of nice but a halfway house was just set up across the street from our building and naturally it attracted not only unsavory occupants but unsavory visitors. On my way to my car with this garbage bag, to go target shooting with the 30-30 inside it, a carload of young thugs was parked in front of the halfway house, engine off, and one of them said HEY to me, so I walked over and said hi fellas, what's going on? and he asked me where the new halfway house is, and I said well, by coincidence you are right in front of it! And they made few remarks and one of them said oh I thought it was the dirty house you just came out of. And I shook my head and said no no no, that was the house i brought THIS out of, and I pulled out the Winchester stock first, just so they could see the stock part only, and that ended the nonsense then and there. Boston Police would have laughed at them had they complained about me brandishing a firearm etc back then. But today I would probably be subjected to all kinds of foolishness about what I did. The difference in the overall mentality between yesteryear and the times in which we live, is unbelievably appalling. Common sense is uncommon, things are the opposite of what they should be, numbers-wise there are more nitwits than ever on the streets, no one is really and truly safe, and the criminals today are not satisfied with getting money, etc, they want to hurt people also. But the scenario I described with the Winchester, done today? I would at the very least be admonished by police to please not do that anymore. Never mind the punks who asked for me to do it. Oh well, getting older, I guess :) And maybe wiser, but who knows.

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    I'm old enough to remember 40+ years ago. I guess I'm not getting wiser because I still detest stupidity, especially when committed by politicians. As long as I have breath I hope I still have this passion (or mental illness according to my wife).
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    Mental illness, she says, eh? Uh oh. The things we put up with. They just don't understand us, Howard :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcb188 View Post
    But the scenario I described with the Winchester, done today? I would at the very least be admonished by police to please not do that anymore.
    I imagine much of the discussion on this post could very well take a similar turn.

    I personally agree with you that punks like that probably need to know that not everyone they accost is going to be a helpless . IMO that is especially important today as the same punks will likely be packing.

    Unfortunately, because of more restrictive gun laws punks are just more emboldened knowing that we are the only ones who will follow the laws and next time they say "hey", that the trash bag your carrying likely isn't going to have a bang-stick, but just helpless trash. Sad, very sad.
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    One of the good things is that very very few criminals who are armed have any idea at all that a victim might have a firearm on his or her person. They just don't think like that, and because of that we have a distinct advantage plus the element of surprise. The very last thing they would suppose would be that their next victim would be armed. I have never heard of them checking, either, before committing a crime. So an armed "victim" seems to have a big advantage with an unsuspecting criminal type.

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    Well aren't I glad that I live in a state that has good laws. You can after all carry a long gun just about any place you want to in this Great State of Texas including into a bar. Legally.

    So to rewrite your story for a Texas resident, you can skip all the garbage about the garbage bag and having to pull it out to show the stock. You would have just walked out out of the house with rifle in hand or slung over your shoulder. Probably wouldn't have gotten any comments to start with. Forget about 30-40 years ago, we can do that today.
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    I can remember the high school parking lot with pick-ups and gun racks........and guns in those racks prior/during hunting season....and nobody thinking anything of it. Times have changed and idiot/stupid/deranged criminals have changed it for us all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Well aren't I glad that I live in a state that has good laws. You can after all carry a long gun just about any place you want to in this Great State of Texas including into a bar. Legally.

    So to rewrite your story for a Texas resident, you can skip all the garbage about the garbage bag and having to pull it out to show the stock. You would have just walked out out of the house with rifle in hand or slung over your shoulder. Probably wouldn't have gotten any comments to start with. Forget about 30-40 years ago, we can do that today.

    The same goes for Vermont. Half the trucks still have full gun racks.

    And DCB188, I have never heard of LEO pulling over someone for having a gun in their vehicle here. Or bother them for carrying any sort of firearm, unless it's a full auto. We are allowed to carry open or concealed without permits, and all of our LEO's are instructed of these laws before they hit the streets.

    Oh, and please, please don't lump Vermont in with Massachusetts when you talk about the northeast. As far as I know, Mass is getting as bad as California and Illinois.

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    I know VT has no license requirements at all and that is great. Same for marriage licenses, they don't have blood tests etc. You're right, VT and Maine are worlds apart from the rest of the Northeast. What I was saying was that unless you had your rifle in your truck on the rack or were hunting etc I think a LEO would talk with you about carrying it openly, just to see what was up. They would not necessarily just ignore it because it is legal. Depends on whether city or country, though. In downtown Burlington, carrying a rifle on the street might draw an inquiry from LEO and out in or on Route 100, a different story entirely.

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    Yes, I'm sure they might check you out if you're in downtown Burlington with a rifle on your shoulder, but a pistol on your hip is Ok. And no, they are not allowed to attempt to discourage citizens from carrying openly.
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    I can remember kids bringing .22's to school and putting them in their lockers for rifle team practice after school. I can remember if you were the target of a bully and you decided to beat the crap out of said bully instead of taking it you were considered a hero of sorts. I can remember every guy in grade school had some kind of pocket knife on them from about age 8 on up. I can remember playing until dark, (and sometimes even after dark), in the summer time and your parents didn't worry. Why? Because every parent on the block was your parent and would slap the crap out of you if you were doing anything stupid, and your parents wouldn't sue them, they would thank them then slap the crap out of you again. I can remember muscle cars.

    Man I am getting old as well as sick and tired of the liberal B.S. that goes on in the world today.
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    You summed it up just like it is.

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    In the mid -50's we took guns to school for show and tell. Wonder what would happen today. In high school a shop teacher made a 22 cal rifle in school.
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    What happened down the street the other day was absolutely ridiculous. A fifth grader went to show and tell at this classroom and what did he have but an obviously empty hand grenade. It was obviously just a shell, but the teacher went crazy and called police and the school was evacuated and it was on the newscasts. And this was just an empty shell of a hand grenade which are for sale in any Army Navy surplus store for ten bucks. No pin etc. And it was treated like an international incident. This is a very sad commentary on how we are ruled by fear and common sense is a distant third or fourth in our priorities, It is fear first and foremost. What will people think? So the international incident is over now and all the embassies around the world have reopened and here on the Cape things are quiet again.

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    FWIW, don't really know if it was legal or not back then, but when I was about 16 and in HS I was on the rifle team, such as it was.

    No problem bringing gun to school. No problem carrying it openly on the New York City Subway system on the way to the range in Mt. Vernon; just north of the city.

    Those days are gone. The population of the US has about doubled since then.
    More people = less freedom. More people = less freedom.

    We better get that through our thick skulls. When everyone is living crowded together, there is less opportunity to do stuff without stepping on your neighbor.

    If we don't get a handle on this issue, the big one will come in the form of something far worse than gun rights restrictions; famine.

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