Fondled date?

This is a discussion on Fondled date? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by HeWhoShoots Maybe I missed something here? But I didn't see anyone saying that they would. Edit: heh, quick edit ramrod...but those quotes ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeWhoShoots View Post
    Maybe I missed something here? But I didn't see anyone saying that they would.

    Edit: heh, quick edit ramrod...but those quotes still don't say they would draw down just because of a grope.
    Nobody has even come close to mentioning drawing a weapon in any of the above posts. No edits or deletions, except one "off color" comment that was removed and it didn't mention it either. I think this is a case of reading the original post in the thread and then assuming where the thread was going. And we all know about the word assume....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper View Post
    Nobody has even come close to mentioning drawing a weapon in any of the above posts. No edits or deletions, except one "off color" comment that was removed and it didn't mention it either. I think this is a case of reading the original post in the thread and then assuming where the thread was going. And we all know about the word assume....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    If it was my wife, I'd go find a mop to help clean up the mess that was left after she was done.
    +1. I met my wife while we were both on active duty in the Marines. She might be small(5'2") but she will surprise alot of people with her ability to defend herself. If she didn't respond, I would respond with an arm-drag takedown if I thought the groper was by myself and cuff him(I am a LEO and always carry cuffs off-duty) and call the local p.d. and wait. If I wasn't a LEO, and my wife didn't respond, I would probably tell the guy the same as KenpoTex. OMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agentmel View Post


    You're kidding, right? Getting real solutions to our criminal justice fiasco would put those very same bureaucrats out of a job. I mean, how could they get us to continue voting for them without some "crisis" that requires more taxes and loss of freedom to "fix."
    While you waste time rolling on the floor laughing, myself and others will continue contacting our state and local legislators, politely demanding a solution.

    Politicians and other elected bureaucrats will most certainly take action on a problem---IF they think that there are enough voters who are pissed off about a certain problem, to vote them out of office. The one thing that puts great fear in virtually all of them is the possibility that they'll be kicked off the government "gravy train".

    Take the immigration problem for instance. In my state, it has become so bad that concerned citizens are constantly bombarding our legislators with e-mails, phone calls and letters. So much so that even some of the most ultra-liberal Democrats, are now running campaign ads in which they bray loudly about their allegedly "tough" stance on illegal immigration.

    Concealed carry and castle doctrine laws would be virtually non-existent in this country, if it hadn't been for grass roots types like myself, who constantly pressured often unwilling politicians to take action and pass these laws.

    So you go ahead and keep "talking the talk" and ridiculing people, while people like myself will continue to "walk the walk" by putting political pressure on legislators to effect real change.

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    Oddly enough this situation has, and does happen. My gf is very attractive, and always receives unwanted attention no matter where she goes, or if I am right there with her. I carry all the time. Some stupid ass will grab her ass and think he is all that, infront of his friends.

    I have seen it coming (can't always avoid idiots, or i'd never go anywhere)and put my hand on her ass moments before the perverts hand touches, and several perverts have found themselves on the ground in pain infront of their friends(they did make unwanted contact with me first).. That usually ends with me blowing the pervert a kiss and telling him that was his second mistake and not to make a third (the first being thinking about doing it, third being any action once they get up).

    I have never had to use more force then should be applied. I'm not a ninja so I can't always see it coming. I have had to turn around and embarass stupid people in public. I have gotten the attention of local LE, and I have put 'tough guys' in their place.. all without drawing my weapon.

    I do not look the other way, I don't care if I just met the girl or it were my wife (not married, just saying). There is no excuse for behavior like that and I will be damned if I just stand idly by and allow it to happen. There is no chivalry in the world today, and that is exactly why this happens. No one stands up for anyone anymore. No one stops to help others on the side of the road. You are damn lucky if you are carrying something heavy and get the door held open for you.

    But I will continue to do as I was raised... never back down, always be a gentleman, help those who need it, protect those you love..

    I guess I was born in the wrong century.. carrying certainly doesn't stop me from doing what is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monky View Post
    Oddly enough this situation has, and does happen. My gf is very attractive, and always receives unwanted attention no matter where she goes, or if I am right there with her. I carry all the time. Some stupid ass will grab her ass and think he is all that, infront of his friends.

    I have seen it coming (can't always avoid idiots, or i'd never go anywhere)and put my hand on her ass moments before the perverts hand touches, and several perverts have found themselves on the ground in pain infront of their friends(they did make unwanted contact with me first).. That usually ends with me blowing the pervert a kiss and telling him that was his second mistake and not to make a third (the first being thinking about doing it, third being any action once they get up).

    I have never had to use more force then should be applied. I'm not a ninja so I can't always see it coming. I have had to turn around and embarass stupid people in public. I have gotten the attention of local LE, and I have put 'tough guys' in their place.. all without drawing my weapon.

    I do not look the other way, I don't care if I just met the girl or it were my wife (not married, just saying). There is no excuse for behavior like that and I will be damned if I just stand idly by and allow it to happen. There is no chivalry in the world today, and that is exactly why this happens. No one stands up for anyone anymore. No one stops to help others on the side of the road. You are damn lucky if you are carrying something heavy and get the door held open for you.

    But I will continue to do as I was raised... never back down, always be a gentleman, help those who need it, protect those you love..

    I guess I was born in the wrong century.. carrying certainly doesn't stop me from doing what is right.
    I won't look the other way either. I will stand between them and my lady, also confront verbally. If they persist then we get real tactical on them and make a CRAZY move- we leave...

    If you get physical with someone while carrying a deadly weapon that's pretty reckless. You knock one guy down and he's 'screaming in pain' (your words) then his boys jump you from behind, after all, you started it. Then you decide four on one isn't fair, and this is getting dangerous, so you draw and possibly fire. At this point, no one really remembers the petty butt grabbing.

    Because you decide to deescalate instead of respond with violence makes you the gentleman - not the opposite. ('you' being the collective you)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defensive Arms View Post
    While you waste time rolling on the floor laughing, myself and others will continue contacting our state and local legislators, politely demanding a solution.

    Politicians and other elected bureaucrats will most certainly take action on a problem---IF they think that there are enough voters who are pissed off about a certain problem, to vote them out of office. The one thing that puts great fear in virtually all of them is the possibility that they'll be kicked off the government "gravy train".

    Take the immigration problem for instance. In my state, it has become so bad that concerned citizens are constantly bombarding our legislators with e-mails, phone calls and letters. So much so that even some of the most ultra-liberal Democrats, are now running campaign ads in which they bray loudly about their allegedly "tough" stance on illegal immigration.

    Concealed carry and castle doctrine laws would be virtually non-existent in this country, if it hadn't been for grass roots types like myself, who constantly pressured often unwilling politicians to take action and pass these laws.

    So you go ahead and keep "talking the talk" and ridiculing people, while people like myself will continue to "walk the walk" by putting political pressure on legislators to effect real change.
    Whoa! It was not my intent to ridicule. I also should have a drawn a distinction between local and federal government. You are correct that local and state are much more likely to be responsive to citizens. I am glad that your state is responsive to its citizens. The federal government is too far removed, I fear. Additionally, concealed carry and castle doctrine laws would never have been necessary were it not for the initial meddling by federal government. I appreciate the government's recognition of our human right to defend ourselves, but it is our right, no matter what any person says, be they president, senator, judge, LE officer, etc. I fear democracy for the "tyranny of the majority," who may not always vote in favor of gun rights (or other rights for that matter).

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    The polititians and police chiefs etc think they are doing us a FAVOR by granting licenses to carry. I have had mine 14 years now and it has to be renewed every four or six years now, it changed recently. Anyway, it is a hundred bucks. But they act like it is a privilege, not a right.
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    I don't think I'd have to do anything if someone attempted to grope my wife. She would grab him by the webbles and yank like she was starting a lawn mower. He would probably never have a reason to do that again along with singing an octave higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcb188 View Post
    The polititians and police chiefs etc think they are doing us a FAVOR by granting licenses to carry. I have had mine 14 years now and it has to be renewed every four or six years now, it changed recently. Anyway, it is a hundred bucks. But they act like it is a privilege, not a right.
    The ultimate goals of 2nd amendment advocates should be:

    1. Get "Vermont style" carry laws passed in all fifty states, which means no permit is required to carry a concealed weapon on your person or in your vehicle in public, as long as you haven't been convicted of a violent felony or multiple violent misdeameanors. A few common sense restrictions would apply, such as no carrying in court houses etc.

    2. Get "Castle doctrine" laws passed in all fifty states, which would make it extremely difficult for citizens who use a gun in legitimate self-defense to be prosecuted.

    3. Get "preemption" laws passed in all fifty states, to prevent counties, cities and other local government entities from passing their own local anti-gun laws. Meaning only the state legislatures would be allowed to consider any new laws adversely affecting the right to keep and bear arms.

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    Based on the movie theater scenario given by the OP, I think it would be best to report the grope immediately to the theater manager.

    The perp might have several buddies nearby who dared him to do it, that you're not aware of. If you just lose your cool and slug the guy because he walks by and cops one quick feel, his pals might descend on you and give you a serious beatdown. There's also a good chance your date could get knocked around during the ensuing melee. Your job is to protect her, not get her beat up along with yourself.

    If you just haul off and punch the guy for copping one quick feel, all his buddies will "swear" to the police that their friend "accidentally" brushed her, and that you went "berserk" and started swinging. So you might end up being the one who gets carted off to jail.

    Hmmm, let's see---your date gets knocked around in the scuffle and you get arrested. That will NOT make a good first impression with any decent women I know of!

    Rather than getting confrontational with the perp, your best bet is to report the incident immediately to the theatre manager. So if it happens again and an altercation does ensue, you'll have a third party witness in your favor when the cops come.

    Even if it happens a second time, it's still unwise to be the first one to throw a punch. Witnesses to the event are only going to see who threw the first punch, they more than likely will not have seen the perp "sneaking a feel".

    If it happens a second time, you escort your date to the manager's office and insist that he call the police. If he declines for any reason, you call them yourself on the cellphone.

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    There are way too many different opinions on what should/could happen. The OP stated 'a guy', I took it to mean one. I threw in the part about his 'buddies' daring simply because I remember my friends daring each other to do stupid **** like that in high school.

    I have never hit anyone first, but that does not mean that joint manipulation is out of the question. A wrist lock, or other various manipulations of the hands/fingers are very effective. What would witnesses see? Him reaching and then being on the floor screaming about a thumb.. I felt someone grab my wallet. Let the cops show up, the perp is walking up behind you and reaching for you/your gf's backside. What is he going to admit to.. attempted theft or something to get himself on a sexual offenders watch list?

    Everyone here in any scenario plays witnesses as against you. I can tell you from experience, that once that initial contact is made 'accidental' or not, it can be perceived as a threat. Hell you can get arrested and spend the night in jail for simply attempting to block someone from leaving a situation (yes there is a law in CO for that, had it explained to me in detail by a couple deputies). So no witnesses do not always point the finger at the party that is still standing. Cops do apply common sense to things.. They're not all 'stupid' (I don't think any cop is stupid, just saying based on things I read on this board.)

    A situation can be de-escalated by a single show of force, and it not escalating beyond that. This isn't the movies..

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    Quote Originally Posted by monky View Post
    There are way too many different opinions on what should/could happen. The OP stated 'a guy', I took it to mean one. I threw in the part about his 'buddies' daring simply because I remember my friends daring each other to do stupid **** like that in high school.

    I have never hit anyone first, but that does not mean that joint manipulation is out of the question. A wrist lock, or other various manipulations of the hands/fingers are very effective. What would witnesses see? Him reaching and then being on the floor screaming about a thumb.. I felt someone grab my wallet. Let the cops show up, the perp is walking up behind you and reaching for you/your gf's backside. What is he going to admit to.. attempted theft or something to get himself on a sexual offenders watch list?

    Everyone here in any scenario plays witnesses as against you. I can tell you from experience, that once that initial contact is made 'accidental' or not, it can be perceived as a threat. Hell you can get arrested and spend the night in jail for simply attempting to block someone from leaving a situation (yes there is a law in CO for that, had it explained to me in detail by a couple deputies). So no witnesses do not always point the finger at the party that is still standing. Cops do apply common sense to things.. They're not all 'stupid' (I don't think any cop is stupid, just saying based on things I read on this board.)

    A situation can be de-escalated by a single show of force, and it not escalating beyond that. This isn't the movies..
    This is all pure speculation. You seem to think that trying to hurt someone will deescalate a potentially violent situation, and I think that (especially when carrying a deadly weapon) violence is an absolute last resort.

    I agree entirely that this isn't the movies... In fact, being that my method is a completely un-exciting real world approach, I'm not sure what you mean...
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    If somebody gropes my wife, well, to use an infamous phrase, "It's on like Donkey Kong!"

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    If you don't believe I will use the threat of lethal force to counter an assault upon my wife you better not live in TX.

    If I can handle it with a 'dressing down' than so be it. If physical force is necessary than I will take that route.

    If those two are insufficient based on the nature of the challenger then you better believe I'll escalate.

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