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    I'm using this space to demonstrate what a good forum we have, And how this forum is already teaching me restraint!!
    Rules keep me from expressing on this keyboard what I really feel!

    Just like the Rules(laws) we all deal with every day(wife,job,kids,laws) you must have your own set of rules to live by.
    It's your life, you have to stand by the choices you make!
    Good luck
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    JD, Lima, Get in here, would love the input!!
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    I'm with centermass on this one. At some point we have to stand up and take society back. I understand the fear of poor judges and litigation but things are out of hand and the wrong side is winning. I wouldnt be able to sleep if I didnt stand up for what is right and letting somebody fondle your date isnt right, period! Plus if you bust him up he might not fondle (or worse) someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firestarplus View Post
    I'm with centermass on this one. At some point we have to stand up and take society back. I understand the fear of poor judges and litigation but things are out of hand and the wrong side is winning. I wouldnt be able to sleep if I didnt stand up for what is right and letting somebody fondle your date isnt right, period! Plus if you bust him up he might not fondle (or worse) someone else.
    If you "bust him up", you will be guilty of assault and battery. That's a violent misdemeanor, which in many states is grounds for revoking your concealed carry permit. You can also be denied a handgun purchase permit in many states.

    It's not too smart to lose your right to purchase and carry a handgun, just because you can't control your temper.

    The "beat him up" advocates in this thread appear to think that there are only two possible options here, either beat him up or do nothing.

    However, there's a third option---maintain a cool head and report the offender to the police. That way you don't commit a crime yourself, so you won't be in danger of losing your right to purchase and carry a handgun.

    Option three also means the perp will be identified by the police, and a report will be filed. So there will be a record on the individual if he gets caught doing it to somebody else in the future.

    Option three makes far more sense than the other two choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defensive Arms View Post
    The "beat him up" advocates in this thread appear to think that there are only two possible options here, either beat him up or do nothing.
    Or, as I've said twice in this thread and a number of other people have mentioned...you can call him on it. At that point if he backs down you can still call the police and the problems is solved. However (this is where it gets fun ), if he doesn't like being "dressed-down" for his behavior and decides he want's to tango, you are defending yourself when you whup his butt or OC him or whatever.

    Standing there doing absolutely nothing may just encourage him to do it again...what happens then? How many times do you let him assault your woman without doing anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTex View Post
    Or, as I've said twice in this thread and a number of other people have mentioned...you can call him on it. At that point if he backs down you can still call the police and the problems is solved. However (this is where it gets fun ), if he doesn't like being "dressed-down" for his behavior and decides he want's to tango, you are defending yourself when you whup his butt or OC him or whatever.

    Standing there doing absolutely nothing may just encourage him to do it again...what happens then? How many times do you let him assault your woman without doing anything?
    You have to put this guy in his place, This is my neighborhood theater where my , neighbors teens are walking around in. He he grabs my wife enough that she brings it to my attention ( keep in mind She knows me) there will be a problem!!!
    I will more then likely put him down, and call 911 myself.
    After everyone there finds out what he was doing, I may find a couple of more victims or a few good witnesses
    Keep your hands to yourself!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by centermass View Post
    Oh!!Wait! Nope, don't care. I guess I'll just have to deal with that in court. But I'll try to keep that in mind while I'm kicking his butt.
    That's fine, as long as you understand the possible consequences of your actions.

    I just think that everyone should pick their battles. If you think that this is one worth fighting, then do so. I think I'll stay away from the possibility of losing my CCW so that I can protect myself and my girl from greater possible threats later on down the road.

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    I told my wife about this thread over breakfast this morning. Her first response to all all the "I'm gonna kick his butt" posters was "Gee... that sure sounds like caveman mentality."

    She said she would respect me more for avoiding a fight by using other means such as strong words or simply leaving the situation alone than going after a punk who decides to pinch her a** for a cheap thrill. She also said jumping all over a guy after the fact doesn't prove anything at all about my manhood either. If she decided to deal with him, that's a different story, and most likely she would. But my involvement would be secondary and unnecessary at that point.

    What I would do, after the kid gets his a** handed to him on a platter compliments of my wife, is insist that he apologize to her. She's my wife, not a piece of property, and she deserves the respect due any woman.

    If she were attacked - literally attacked, that's a different story. She would expect me to defend her, which I would, with my life. But to go after some juvenile pervert after the fact would simply be vengeance at that point, and it's definitely not worth my time or my CWP if it escalates into assault charges.
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    This thread has produced an interesting mix of comments. First, I have to disagree with the "beat him up" people. It certainly seems like a false bravado and a demonstration of out of control aggression. If someone actually considers a quick feel of the butt in passing as a sexual assault then you should certainly draw your weapon and stop the 'threat.' No different than rape. Well, of course it is different than rape. And, in fact, it is likely the criminal sexual predator will have moved along before any of our brave, chivalrous men have an opportunity to 'dress him down' or even attempt to throw a punch. Unless they chase him down before assaulting him verbally or physically.

    It sound to me as if this is no different than road rage. Someone does something illegal (cuts you off in traffic) and you need to 'teach him a lesson.'

    As someone else wrote, you have to pick your battles. This situation is not a good choice to cause a confrontation. If your wife/girlfriend doesn't deal with the situation then just let it go. No one goes to jail. No one is hurt. Although unwanted and completely inappropriate, a pat on the butt is not a big deal. Certainly, it is nothing so serious as to involve police and perhaps find yourself hauled in front of a judge because you cannot control yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centermass View Post
    I'm just amazed at this! There are people who are worried about getting arrested for fighting off someone who ASSALTED their wife or girlfriend? I just can't imagine why someone would just stand by or walk away after that's happened. If someone hits you and your aren't sure they are going to hit you again, do you just stand there? If you hit them back, is it revenge or self defence?
    I think only one person in this entire thread has said he would brush it off until the second approach. No offense, but you did come in later in the thread, have you read all of the posts?

    The rest of the posters have mostly advocated a firm but nonviolent response, and possibly leaving the situation. The debate here is about the *immediate* violent response. Which, IMO means that individual just started a fight and lowered himself to the same level as the pathetic groper.

    Centermass, you even claim that even if it were a mistake that the guy still has it coming, and you claim YOU are amazed?? Not as much as me.

    Has anyone thought about the fact that violence could be the EXACT response the loser is looking for? Perhaps he is looking to start fight and he knows just how you will respond. Putty in his hands...
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    Maybe it's just me, but I don't think my CCW has anything to do with it until it is drawn. If I'm not carrying, there will be harsh words at the least, and blows at most. Same if I am carrying. But I'm not gonna bring the CCW into the picture to be a problem.
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    While a drawn weapon has no place in dealing with a groper, a whipping isn't out of place and will go further to school the scuzz bucket to the error of his ways than any more modern "civilized" response.


    "Has anyone thought about the fact that violence could be the EXACT response the loser is looking for? Perhaps he is looking to start fight and he knows just how you will respond. Putty in his hands..."

    While not exactly a spring chicken I'm a big ol' boy who can and will administer a whipping as required and I won't be putty in anyone's hands who is foolish enough to elicit such a response from me.

    "When among wild beasts, if they menace you, be a wild beast."
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    A great quotation that is instructive when considering the kinds of people who would choose to dishonor a woman and take unfair advantage.

    I hope for the perpetrator's sake and my own sake that I'm never confronted with this situation but have long ago determined what a proper response should be if the situation arises.

    We'll have just as much crime as we're willing to collectively tolerate, and in modern American society we're apparently willing to tolerate quite a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmcgilvray View Post
    While a drawn weapon has no place in dealing with a groper, a whipping isn't out of place and will go further to school the scuzz bucket to the error of his ways than any more modern "civilized" response.


    "Has anyone thought about the fact that violence could be the EXACT response the loser is looking for? Perhaps he is looking to start fight and he knows just how you will respond. Putty in his hands..."

    While not exactly a spring chicken I'm a big ol' boy who can and will administer a whipping as required and I won't be putty in anyone's hands who is foolish enough to elicit such a response from me.

    "When among wild beasts, if they menace you, be a wild beast."
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    A great quotation that is instructive when considering the kinds of people who would choose to dishonor a woman and take unfair advantage.

    I hope for the perpetrator's sake and my own sake that I'm never confronted with this situation but have long ago determined what a proper response should be if the situation arises.

    We'll have just as much crime as we're willing to collectively tolerate, and in modern American society we're apparently willing to tolerate quite a lot.
    I don't believe the Melville quote is applicable in this situation because at this point violence hasn't even entered the picture. Implying that this is indicative to the amount of crime we have in the US is absurd to say the least. Having the punk escorted out by a cop or by a bouncer, possibly being arrested and gaining a sexual offense record is hardly tolerating anything.

    YOU being arrested on the other hand, for starting a fight and/or beating some kid up is law enforcement in action. They will be doing exactly what we pay them to do, lock up violent people.

    The putty in his hands statement was referring to the fact that the scumbag was able to manipulate you into doing exactly what he wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C9H13NO3 View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't think my CCW has anything to do with it until it is drawn. If I'm not carrying, there will be harsh words at the least, and blows at most. Same if I am carrying. But I'm not gonna bring the CCW into the picture to be a problem.
    If you're saying that your behavior shouldn't be any different when carrying a firearm I think are sadly mistaken. Starting a fight could put you in a position where you would be required to use it, and since you started it that could put you in a bad spot amigo.
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    I wouldn't throw the first punch. I'd be dealing the harsh words. If they start a fight, that is their choice, but I'd keep it to fists. If I get the crap beaten out of me, so be it. Their objective isn't to take my life.
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