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This is a discussion on Dark parking garage. within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I agree that it was the right thing to do. As far as tank and the other naysayers, I say PFFT!!. If you are escorting ...

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    I agree that it was the right thing to do. As far as tank and the other naysayers, I say PFFT!!. If you are escorting her and are in your proper condition orange, then you are as aware of what she is doing as to what is going on around you. If she's a BG she will get the same treatment any one else would get under the same circumstances.

    And just to show this isn't talk, I've done the same thing on several occasions, including driving an elderly lady over several floors of a parking structure to find the car she was in tears over misplacing.
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    Good job XD, glad you HAD that maglight and were enough of a gentleman to offer help.

    Similar thing happened to my wife and me when the tornado hit downtown Nashville in '98. At the time we weren't carrying lights but we solved that problem with a sidetrip to Home Depot on the way home. I did have a mini-mag in my glovebox so when we got to the truck I used it to "escort" as many people as I could while my wife kept the motor running and the headlights on for the foot traffic.

    We now have D-cell maglights and mini-mags in both vehicles, a mini each for personal use, D-cell maglights in every room of our apartment and I recently traded for a 6P Surefire that'll be part of my daily carry rig as soon as it arrives ... I HATE being caught unprepared!
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    Tank Soldier ~
    Yep, that's right...Why protect your wife because she might just be sneaking around behind your back and having a tryst with a kingpin drug dealer?
    Why protect your Grandfather because "unbeknownst to the family" he might have secretly been a "Mafia Hit Man" 40 years ago?
    Maybe grandpa deserves to die.
    Let's please get back to reality here.
    There are many forum members who are not Tank Soldiers or Marines.
    You're in the military & I'm sure you know that some soldiers would not jump up and single handedly run out and "take out" a machine gun nest & some would.
    Yet all are soldiers. Some are different/better/braver soldiers than others? I guess.
    There are many forum members who (age wise) are in their 50s & 60s & older.
    There are many forum members who are businessmen & quiet Family oriented persons who have decided carry a firearm solely for their own personal protection.
    They carry a firearm for the purpose of hopefully being able to protect themselves and their loved ones from harm or a deadly threat to their immediate person.
    They carry a firearm in order to take some measure of responsibility for their own personal health and well being. They do not consider themselves to be defenders of society against all evildoers.
    You can agree with that philosophy or...you can disagree with it but, that is the reason WHY they decided to carry.
    If I was cruising down the street I probably would not (or could not) run out and break up a gang fight where 5 members of the Bloods were beating up on a Crip. I personally would not run out and help the Crip because he was misunderstood and was born into a single parent household & his Mother was a Crack Head so he was forced to join a gang & now he was getting beat up.
    I would very likely get involved in a situation where a purse snatcher pushed an old woman down to the ground and was kicking her because she refuses to let go of her purse.
    I personally would need to evaluate the exact situation.
    There are some people who are just not willing or are unable to physically interject themselves into a situation where they are already outnumbered by youthful unknown strangers who are already being extremely violent against another unknown stranger.
    They are not qualified or able to play Captain America or Spiderman...which has nothing at all to do with their personal qualifications to carry a firearm for their own personal protection.
    That is NOT THE SAME SCENARIO as them being willing to offer some small measure of security and comfort to a fearful person needing to get to their vehicle in a darkened parking lot.
    If (while escorting a person to their car) a Concealed Carry Person was attacked in the parking lot...then He/She WOULD be a situation that they WERE THEN personally involved in that situation - and they would then be required to react.
    They would be in an unavoidable circumstance.
    Every situation is different.
    You cannot forever fault people for how they THINK they might react in a fictitious situation where they do not know all of the facts surrounding the incident.
    They might just act totally differently depending on the situation.
    You can CERTAINLY feel free Disagree with whatever decision they have decided to post but, obsessing on their "guesswork answers" to the point where you are bringing your perceived unresolved baggage from one forum thread...into every other successive forum thread is getting slightly old.
    I've said this before & I'll say it again. Many States offer a License To Carry a firearm only for the purpose of SELF protection.
    Some States provide that License To Carry coupled with a First & Required Obligation to retreat...if at all possible.
    Please don't expect forum members to be able predict the future and state exactly how they might or might not act in any imaginary situation.
    They can only guess as to how they might...or might not react.

    This is the reason why I just do not like most hypothetical, fantasy, forum topics.
    There are never enough facts given to exactly create or recreate the scenario.
    Most are downright impossible to definitively answer.
    Every "What Would You Do???" "SCENARIO" type forum topic needs to be taken slightly lightly & with two grains of salt because one unmentioned changed fact or different "real life" action would/could completely alter the stated reaction.

    In the vast majority of actual situations I think that MOST good, responsible, citizens will do what they believe is the right and correct thing that they are able to do....in the time of need.
    They will "step up to the plate" & hopefully do what needs to be done.
    That was proven on 9/11 & it's proven "time & time again" in every catastrophe and Natural Disaster.
    Many people WHO THOUGHT that they COULD NEVER be heroes or (were just not that type) sometimes end up performing VERY HEROIC acts.
    Many people who THINK that they are hero types end up cowering over in some corner or running away.
    Like some New Orleans Cops who WERE Cops.
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    QKShooter, Hey your puter screwed up. It's printing everything in BOLD type. OBTW you are IMO at least 50% right.--- I personally am not out to save the world. I tried to do that about 35 years ago and found out that it can't be saved. I would react differently to the same set of conditions that someone else would. We are all different,with different attitudes,mindsets,training,and expierance. I do not expect to be right all the time. I do however want to be right enough to remain out of jail and feel that I have in some way helped my fellow man(or woman). This is just one respectable opinion. I'm sure there are others.---------

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    Rssz

    Well, at least I'm slowly getting back to the "good old days" of you not agreeing with me at all. I'm down to 50% now

    Whoops!...Did I accidentally hit the BOLD key up there?

    Addition: I just don't want the "beef and the bones" from one previous thread to be constantly "dragged on over" into every future different forum thread.

    That is not going to be "put up with" for too much longer.
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    So I'm left with 2 mildly paranoid thoughts.

    1. Wasn't too wise of the woman to trust you (yeah, we all know you're a good guy, but you could easily have been a predator).

    2. Everyone talks about #1, but maybe it wasn't too wise of you to trust her ... she could easily have been a luring guys to walk her to her car where they are jumped by her accomplices ... or she just shoots you in the dark, pulls out her own flashlight and goes through your pockets.


    what an effed up world we live in

    (thing is I'd probably have done the same as you).

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    Zundfolge

    You're 100% correct.
    The world sure is not always such a great place.
    Remember that ploy ??? (some years ago) The one where where the female lays down on the side of the road.
    Driver going by jumps out of the vehicle...runs over & bends down to see what's wrong with her & gets slammed on the head with two simultaneous baseball bats to the brain from two predators waiting in the bushes.
    It pays to be on extra high alert when entering into any unusual or uncommon situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzg
    I thought, "Yea verily, chivlary is not dead." Then Tank smashed my hopes.
    A guy, he's maybe on his own. A lady, (always assumed to be so until proven otherwise), MUST be given assistance in situations like that. Good Job!
    I couldn't agree more! Geeze Tank...Georgie Patton is rolling over in his grave over your words. He was the perfect "Knight in Shining Armor" in his personal life and legend has it that he even made a similar error, trying to rescue a maiden in distress with a drawn pistol only to discover she was being "helped" into the car by her husband....But he saw a threat and he went for it....as I would do.
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    Talking Paranoia can be a GOOD thing....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge
    So I'm left with 2 mildly paranoid thoughts.....
    I don't think it's a question of whether or not you're paranoid....the real question is Are you paranoid enough???
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    I still open up doors for ladies as well as stand up so they can have my seat... so I would have done the same thing (another reason for me to get a light to carry on me all the time).

    I guess that the manners that I was taught would override my being paranoid of an ambush.

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    I would have probably helped her out as well. I'm sure there were a lot of details that weren't listed (her dress, did he recognize her as "belonging" in the building, etc. etc.) that would que you as to her threat level.

    As for being lured into an ambush, just remember, they probably wouldn't be expecting you to be armed or otherwise prepared. In other words, it's not an ambush, it's a "target rich enviroment" (to borrow a phrase from my AF days).

    Better someone on this board be in that situation than someone totally unprepared to react, as our chances of survival, not to mention reducing the predator population (hopefully through fear and or/arrest rather than hollowpoints) would be much better IMHO.
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    I was being sarcastic guys, in response to those who spout similar drivel, ie: "I carry a gun to protect myself an my family, not to be a hero, etc, etc".

    I do think escorting the lady was the correct thing to do. I also think confronting criminals in the act, when tactically sound, is the right thing for citizens to do. BGs get away with crimes because the first responders, the private citizens, are afraid to get involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier762
    I couldn't agree more! Geeze Tank...Georgie Patton is rolling over in his grave over your words. He was the perfect "Knight in Shining Armor" in his personal life and legend has it that he even made a similar error, trying to rescue a maiden in distress with a drawn pistol only to discover she was being "helped" into the car by her husband....But he saw a threat and he went for it....as I would do.
    "I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

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