Citizen tried to defend officer's life, was this the right thing IMHO?

Citizen tried to defend officer's life, was this the right thing IMHO?

This is a discussion on Citizen tried to defend officer's life, was this the right thing IMHO? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; YouTube - police officer get shot and dies in routine traffic stop YouTube - Video captures cop killing What is your opinion of this citizen ...

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 52
  1. #1
    Senior Member Array CR2008's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    660

    Citizen tried to defend officer's life, was this the right thing IMHO?

    YouTube - police officer get shot and dies in routine traffic stop

    YouTube - Video captures cop killing

    What is your opinion of this citizen who used a downed officer's service weapon to shoot the perp who was using his car to run over the downed officer?

    Sadly, the officer was killed when he was shot dead by the perp first, the perp died after getting shot by the bystander who intervened and there were no charges against him as well.

    IMHO, he did the right thing because the officer had no power to defend himself after he was shot in the back, and the perp was clearly determined to make shore he was dead by using his car as a weapon... I saw this same case on TV and saddly the media morons did their typical spine, they portrayed the perp as a victim of an officer who was "mean to him" in the past and the bystander who intervened as the vigilantly.
    http://www.bloombergfightbackfund.com/
    Sig P220R/Sig P239 (9mm)/ S&W 640/ Ruger Single Six Hunter (.22LR/Mag)/ CZ 452 Varmint .22LR/ Lee Enfield No4 MK2 sporterized dated 1959/ Mosin Nagant M90-30 dated 1942/


  2. #2
    VIP Member Array dukalmighty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    15,179
    I have my own gun so wouldn't need the officers and yes I would shoot to stop the threat period
    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
    --Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .

  3. #3
    VIP Member Array deadeye72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Central Mississippi
    Posts
    4,283
    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I have my own gun so wouldn't need the officers and yes I would shoot to stop the threat period
    +1 Would not even be a choice for me. I will not sit back and watch an officer of the law be murdered without trying to help.
    Glock 27
    BENELLI NOVA

  4. #4
    Ex Member Array TacticalCompact's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Nevada
    Posts
    317
    I don't know enough. From what I saw, however, it's unclear to me why the officer chose to approach the driver and pepper spray him right off the bat. It could be that the driver had decided to give up, but once sprayed with pepper flew off the handle.

    Not to justify murder, that was definately a horriffic thing to do. I'm just questioning the officer's choice once they had come to a stop. Why not wait for that backup to arrive? Why not order him out and down at gunpoint?

    That is was LEOs do here, I've personally witnessed it. Just curious, too bad his mistake proved fatal.

  5. #5
    VIP Member Array wmhawth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Western Colorado
    Posts
    4,437
    Yes. There are times you must get involved and this would seem to be one of them. Completely different from chasing a fleeing thief IMO.

  6. #6
    Administrator
    Array SIXTO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    19,901
    Worthless opinions and Monday morning quarterbacking set aside, yes, the guy did absolutely the right thing.
    "Just blame Sixto"

  7. #7
    Member Array Zach and Holly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Oregon
    Posts
    479
    Why did the officer immediately walk up and use pepperspray?

    I agree -- I would definitely intervene if I was able.
    It is utterly illogical to believe that passing laws to reduce gun violence will be successful when those who are commiting the gun violence do not obey the law.

  8. #8
    VIP Member Array tns0038's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    2,163
    When I first saw this on the evening news, I had issues with the officer macing down the guy inside his car, for no apparent reason.

    But this particular channel did not review the officer had given chase, and had run-ins with this guy before.

    Typical New York national liberal media news; Bad COP poor civilian, and they played up the part of a non-qualify civilian using the COPS gun to kill this poor kid like he was some kind of vigilantly instead of a hero that he is.

    After watching U-Tube link, and a little more research I now have a better understand of what went down, and all I can say is what others have said.

    Hind sight is always 20-20 and could of, would of, should of, is always perfect solutions.

    My regrets to the officers family, and I’m no longer watching ABC.

  9. #9
    VIP Member Array Paco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    McKinney, TX
    Posts
    3,507
    The bystander did right, can't take this crap anymore or it will get worse.

    One procedural question though, why did the office turn his back, he may have made it (not knowing where he was hit) through with only injuries.

    Another defender fallen, prayers to his family and brothers in uniform.
    "Don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt

    -Paco
    http://www.shieldsd.net

  10. #10
    Senior Member Array luvmyglock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    636
    I have watched a TON of traffic stops on Youtube with this same character in them. All of the local police knew this kid by name. They underestimated him; that's why they walked up and so casually sprayed him, then walked away. It was a routine thing. I think those officers sprayed that kid more often then they changed their socks.

  11. #11
    VIP Member Array goldshellback's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    OKC; by way of St. Mayberry, GA
    Posts
    4,750
    The simple answer is "YES", it was the right thing to do.
    "Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008

    (Sometimes) "a fight avioded is a fight won." ... claude clay

  12. #12
    VIP Member Array Rob72's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    OK
    Posts
    3,468
    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalCompact View Post
    it's unclear to me why the officer chose to approach the driver and pepper spray him right off the bat.
    My guess would be (as a known offender) the officer was simply trying to disable the guy enough so that he wouldn't drive off again. Not a bad idea, but clearly demonstrates the limits of OC- something to keep in mind.

  13. #13
    Member Array Rescue1325's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    21
    Agreed 100%. Absolutely the right thing to do.
    The 2nd Amendment: America's first Homeland Security

  14. #14
    VIP Member Array Janq's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    6,781
    This was beat to death last year when it was news.
    Agreed with everyone else this is one of those times in life where the decision making chart is crystal clear as to what to do and not to do. What is 'right' and what is wrong.

    Liko Kenney was that day a rabid dog plain and simple.
    He bit and he killed, that day.
    The citizen being a person skilled enough to be effective with the tools that became available to him he did what was both necessary and 'right' to the benefit of the community at large. He broke no laws in doing so.
    To my mind this is no different than stopping a person from fire bombing a school or preventing a person from abusing a child.
    Some things must be done to which there is no excuse or reasoning toward not acting, if you can.

    If placed in the same place under the same conditions I'd expect and hope I'd do same. Though one never can know for sure until after it's done.

    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

  15. #15
    Senior Member Array dunndw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Nashville
    Posts
    1,123
    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
    "If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. No Honor amound DBags - Texas: Officer, citizen fire at man who allegedly tried to ru
    By ctsketch in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: May 28th, 2010, 09:33 PM
  2. BAD: RPD Officer Fights for Life After Shooting
    By NYcarry in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: February 1st, 2009, 01:23 AM
  3. Police Officer on Life Support Following Charity Boxing Match With Firefighter
    By flagflyfish in forum Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: September 17th, 2008, 03:58 PM
  4. Bullet Proof Vest Saves Officer's Life in Shootout
    By gimpy in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: January 29th, 2008, 10:02 PM

» Log in

User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!

» DefensiveCarry Sponsors