June 9th, 2008 02:47 PM
Umm your armed?
Pull over and see if he wants to play some more or take his ball and go home!
June 9th, 2008 02:57 PM
Absolutely a BAD idea, IMHO.
Originally Posted by Tobashadow
When invited by a fool to play, there is absolutely no reason to accept the offer.
If you stop, you're sure not in fear of your life, and you've arguably become a willing participant in the escalation. This is a good way to go to jail.
Battle Plan (n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.
Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
June 9th, 2008 03:07 PM
I think that the scenario assumes that a larger vehicle is attempting to force you off the road. If the hostile is able to execute a successful PIT maneuver on you, it seems to me like you're basically certain to stop and have to deal with him directly.
On the other hand, if he does like the movies and drives up to your driver-side and bumps your car -- and you keep control -- you may well be able to shoot through the door. Is that a good idea? Depends on the situation. If you're being run off the edge of a cliff, shoot away.
On the other hand, if you're just on the interstate somewhere, probably not. If it was me - I have an old small (and slow) convertible, so it'd be very easy to run me off the road. I'd pull over and call 911 ASAP.
Leave the engine running. If badguy approaches, zip off. It'll take him a minute to get back into his car, started, and catch up with me. Hopefully one repetition or two of this and there's enough time for the police to arrive. If he catches up and puts me in real, immediate danger I'll shoot, but it's a terribly dangerous thing to do as you're putting a lot of other people at risk.
June 9th, 2008 03:27 PM
I would continue driving normally I would not try to shoot the steering wheel "nut" if you shoot a tire out and he loses control and strikes another vehicle etc. you can plan on being sued at the minimum,if he tries forcing you off the road maintain you're lane if he hits you're car with his that is deadly force It's never a good idea to shoot at a moving vehicle.If he is trying to run me off the road I try to pull into a place where there are witnesses,if he pollows me and jumps outta his vehicle to come at me then he's getting drawn on and will be held for the police.If he thinks I won't shoot that will be the last bad decision he makes that day
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June 9th, 2008 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by Scott
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June 9th, 2008 03:44 PM
It's possible that I have not faced the "most" enraged driver in this type of thing, but I have always slowed down and let them in front of me. I can watch them or evade them when they are in front of me.
If they slow, I slow more - always seeking to maintain distance. If they stop, I stop or backup. Obvously, this depends on the roadway and location, but the idea is to evade them.
In my experience, an enraged driver will wear themselves out without someone to engage them.
On California freeways, I exited as they passed the exit.
June 9th, 2008 03:55 PM
Scenes of Mad Max..
There was no explanation why the other driver was being so aggressive. If he is a maniac and bent on running you off the road that is one thing but most people don't just snap for no reason.
Whenever I have a tailgater I always try to tap the brakes to see if they will back off then if that doesn't work I slow down until they pass me and then I let them get out of sight.
Seems in this scenario perhaps it is a multi lane and he can get beside you to run you off the road. If you can drop behind him and let him take the lead he hopefully will go on his merry way. It is unlikely he is trying to run you off to rob you or worse. But in remote areas that has happened, in that case you can probably use your weapon without too much restraint or fear of innocents being injured.
This is another example where you should de-escalate the confrontation. The vehicles are more deadly than the weapon based on statistics.
Be a friendly driver. If he insists on confrontation in person, try to make it in a public place if possible. Bring your weapon into play as needed.
June 9th, 2008 03:55 PM
I'll bite on this one, but first one question.
What type of gun do I have? If you have a Keltec P3AT with no spare mag, will you waste shots on a vehicle? What if you do that, you get rammed and now your vehicle is disabled and immobile, and you just shot all 6 rounds out of your gun?
I just got to do my daily during work round trip, and about the only stable shooting position that I could come up with while still being able to steer and watch the road was the following:
If my caliber and capacity are up to the task of warding off a roadrager and I MUST, absolutely MUST shoot, I'm only going to go for the passenger compartment and if I'm lucky, I can roll down my window, not only to save on the repair bill, but to lessen the amount of debris my rounds will have to overcome, I will be driving with my left hand, keeping my right hand with gun seated in the crook of my left elbow to keep my aim steady and point shoot the heck out of the drivers compartment.
Pending on what kind of auto you're up against, you have no guarantees. If you're in a lower riding car, and the aggressor is in a higher riding SUV or truck, you have little hope of shooting though his window, if your shooting from the rear oblique, you have no guarantees that your rounds will find a suitable target.
Point shooting for the tires? Again, this goes to ammo capacity in my book, how many possible misses can you afford? If I've only got my HK P7 with 9 rounds total and no spare mag....well you do the math.
If you're in front of the aggressor, I can't think of a "safe" way to engage the target with fire. My best shot IMHO is to be along side the car, slightly behind the aggressors front tire, open fire on the passenger side door and begin to slow after 3 or 4 shots in order to try and evade a possibly crashing truck.
So up until the need to fire arises, I'm going to try and jockey for my ideal firing position.
If I can break off the pursuit, fine. If I don't know where I am or on a free way, I'll watch the signs for a state police barracks.
If I'm urban, I'm going to try and get behind the aggressor as much as possible so he has to use his mirrors and look over his shoulder for me, and all I have to do is watch him and the road in front of me.
And as stated above.
If you're being followed, DON'T GO HOME!
June 9th, 2008 04:07 PM
Originally Posted by farronwolf
Unless you’re an LEO and you have no choice but to shoot at a vehicle, then I would recommend never shooting at one.
Many reasons, including you could miss, and hit the wrong person/car, or wreck yourself.
Like farronwolf said. Pull over and if the BG gets out of his car and comes at you with a weapon, then use your weapon to take care of the situation.
June 9th, 2008 04:11 PM
"Reddneckkery." I have indeed seen someone shot because of it (rural community, SO & DA had no issues.) I wouldn't call it common...
Originally Posted by Yoda
June 9th, 2008 06:09 PM
I'd pull off the road at the nearest exit/turn-off. If the idiot insists on taking it to that level once I have stopped for a potty break then he has removed himself from the missile and I would act in the same manner as I would for a confrontation / assault that started on foot.
They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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June 9th, 2008 07:51 PM
I'ld pull over and stop... in a very public location if it was bad enough, or be looking for a police officer. It's questionable in reality, that they are threatening your life at that point... a banged up car maybe, but doubtful it truly is a threat to your life unless you are on a motorcycle... then that's a different matter... they are threatening your life then.
June 10th, 2008 02:25 AM
I plan to jam the e-brake as I turn hard left and shoot out BG's gas tank. I saw it on MI2, so it must be possible.
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June 10th, 2008 05:57 AM
How, exactly, does one find the local police dept. in the next town, or an unfamiliar town?
Originally Posted by JD
Agreed on the escape/evade plan, which is infinitely better than pulling over and stopping. But nobody seems to get specific about just how such a PD would be found anywhere but the home town. Being on a 911 call at the time is all good and well, but it's not exactly practical during E/E avoidance of a pursuing thug in a 3500 lb battering ram.
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June 10th, 2008 06:45 AM
SHOOTING TO DISABLE A VEHICLE WITH A FIREARM
You never shoot at a vehicle, you shoot at the aggressor behind the wheel to stop the action threatening you, or a third party or to prevent the commission of certain felonies.
If you aren't justified in shooting the driver of the vehicle, you aren't justified in shooting the vehicle either.
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