June 11th, 2008 06:13 AM
Stones [or Stoned] vs .45 -- Scenario based on Real Life
Here's a story with a good ending that could have gone terribly wrong.
Quote (not the full article) follows:
Murray walked back toward the restaurant and fired a shot at the ground near employee [...] Kerns, who was standing outside the door.
Murray continued toward the door, but Kerns blocked the entrance and told Murray that he could not take the handgun inside. Murray pushed past Kerns, went inside, looked around then walked out.
My guess is that Murray's dinner was graced with an adult beverage (or four), but somebody needs to test Kerns for elevated testosterone levels!
that's real life
Scenario 1. Now, imagine you are sitting in a restaurant and hearing a .45 go off in the parking lot. Would you stay long enough to overhear the argument at the front door?
Personally, I think the sound of gunfire in the parking lot would be reason enough for me to head out the closest fire exit with a firm grip on my undrawn weapon. Maybe a stupid move to go out (away from cover) into a potential threat zone, but what else to do? 911?
Scenario 2. So the music is too loud or you were in the men's or ladies' room so that the shot is so muffled as to not sound like gunfire. You are at your table when a man who had been arguing with someone (other than yourself) walks into the restaurant with a drawn handgun? Next steps?
Me? I think take cover [he's probably aiming at the other person(s) from the argument], draw, and head for the fire exit while keeping my face in the direction of the threat. 911 from outside
June 11th, 2008 06:55 AM
I'd draw, take cover/concealment, and call 911. Someone walking into a restruant with a drawn weapon is an invite for disaster, regardless of the intensions. Sense I've no idea what's going on or 'his' intensions, I'm gonna become instantly 'red' and go into fight mode.....alert with my sidearm at the ready and whoever I'm eating dinner with 'down'. I'd exit said establishment as soon as tactically fesiable.
Again, as with many of these scenarios, there are an infinite number of variables to consider and my actual response may or may not vary depending on how things unfold, present state-of-mind, etc, etc, etc.
Regardless, someone entered the restruant I'm eating in with a drawn handgun, something's gonna happen.
"Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008
(Sometimes) "a fight avioded is a fight won." ... claude clay
June 11th, 2008 08:52 AM
If I hear gun shots right outside any building, I won't be going near any windows and certainly won't be going outside to "investigate." Take cover, get low when you hear them because stray rounds can go through windows, thin walls etc and turn you into a corpse.
Last week there was gun fire just 2 houses away, don't know what it was about but at 1am I heard 4-5 gun shots while a car raced away, tires screeching... first thing I did was to get down flat on the ground with my .45 in hand (I aways have something with me).
The neighbor on the other hand actually went outside right after the gunshots... sounds like a bad move because it is the assumption that the threat has ended and gone, which could be wrong... I called 911 and let the police deal with it.
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June 11th, 2008 06:13 PM
I'd be looking to do this:
1) Cover/Concealment (#1 if #3 is not an option)
2) 911 (Definately the 2nd thing I do)
3) Exit (If it can be done safely, and possibly first)
An arguement between a gunman and somebody else is no concern of mine, except for where it threatens my safety and the safety of my loved one's.
June 13th, 2008 05:44 AM
Originally Posted by BikerRN
Not my problem until it becomes my problem.
Grasseater // Grass~eat~er noun, often attributive \ˈgras-ē-tər\
A person who is incapable of independent thought; a person who is herd animal-like in behavior; one who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; a foolish person.
See also Sheep
June 13th, 2008 06:52 AM
Originally Posted by Sticks
"It is better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep."
- Italian proverb
June 13th, 2008 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by madmunky40
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
"A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing
June 13th, 2008 04:07 PM
I'm taking cover and assessing the situation,if it's a crazed gunman that starts randomly firing, he's getting shot.
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
June 20th, 2008 04:30 PM
It's only a problem if they into my house shooting. I would call 911 and stay put until the LEOs show up.I would go out only if a police cruiser were present & in need of first aid.
June 20th, 2008 09:42 PM
Way way too little information.
A gunshot in the parking lot, could mean anything ... including it wasn't a gunshot, an accidental discharge, or an officer just shot someone. No "threat" level of concern yet for me, although it would have me in an assessment stage. First thing, a 911 call to say "believe shots have been fired" . I would gain more info before I did anything.....
The 2nd.... assess the person's demeanor and potential threat... with hand on gun.... and observe .. until the point there is a real threat.
Just because someone has a gun in their hand , walking into the restaurant in itself... does not equal a threat. Some may have just tried to rob him at gunpoint, he shot them, and wants to come into the restaurant to get the police called.
Ya'all got to quit thinking that "gun" instantly means a threat, especially if there are no other que's of a threat. Be "alerted", be "ready" .. ok. What if it's an off duty police officer, a CCH who wants to make sure everyone is safe, or the scenario I just mentioned.
Don't over-react either and draw on the guy, or he may have every right to shoot you.... as he was no threat to you, but you were to him the instant you drew your gun and pointed at him. He would be justified in shooting you.
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