Rack the slide?
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July 7th, 2008 12:51 AM
Nope. No need to let them know you are aware of their presence until you are in an advantageous position. Urban tactics rely on speed, surprise and violence of action, and pumping the shotgun takes away one of those at least.
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July 7th, 2008 01:10 AM
I don't know a) how many intruders are in the house; b) where they are; c) whether or not they are armed. Silence is golden until it's time to let loose. My HD shotty is in the same condition due to circumstances. I would have to rack before firing, which is reason enough to have my 1911 chambered and ready (with said shotty very close by).
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July 7th, 2008 01:24 AM
No way would I rack the slide. Am i supposed to catch the round that just flew out and stuff it back in ?! Silence is golden.
Although, if I had positive ID on a target, and it was one of the kids sneaking in that lat, I'd probably rack it just to soil their shorts.
July 7th, 2008 01:43 AM
So do you rack the slide on your pistol or slam the cylinder shut on your revolver just because it will look good to a jury?My shotgun has 1 in the chamber and a full magazine, I am not giving away my position or the fact I am armed to an Intruder,BTW I live in Texas and if you break in my house and I shoot you It won't even make it past a grand jury
Originally Posted by Gelicious
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July 7th, 2008 03:36 AM
No racking slide, no warning.
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July 7th, 2008 04:45 AM
I can think of circumstances where I might, but they're pretty far-fetched.
i/e all individuals in home secured, ID on target who does not have weapon in hand and appears unarmed and is not aware of my presence.
Though I might have the legal right to blow away some unarmed meth head in my home, I do not personally feel morally justified in so doing. Call me a softie, but I'm not going to kill an unarmed man who poses no bodily threat to myself or others. If he does have a gun or, as is most likely, I'm not 100% certain and don't feel like I have time to verify before being in a worse position, I'm shooting. But, again, if I've somehow managed to discover that he's not armed, I'd probably rack while on target and tell him to get lost.
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July 7th, 2008 06:20 AM
I have an alarm system in the house with a "panic buttons" that make a lot of noise and calls the police at the same time. If this (and the dogs) do not scare off the intruder, I would rack the shotgun and be prepared for a possible confrontation. I have no children in the house, so my main concern is protecting my wife.
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July 7th, 2008 07:40 AM
No racking my HD shot-gun, because I have the shells loaded in a specific order. First shells are of the variety that would not overpenetrate sheet-rock, last shells are for stopping a vehicle if needed.
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July 7th, 2008 08:47 AM
IMHO, it's foolish to ever give up any tactical advantage you might have.
Racking the slide tells the BG your relative position and capability. Not gonna happen in my house......
July 7th, 2008 09:18 AM
I gotta remember that one for later!
Originally Posted by Shizzlemah
I say don't rack it, it should be chambered already. I disagree with what many people say, the sound of a shotgun racking will make them run. It has been proven time and time again that BG these days simply don't care. In that case, no warning.
I read a sig line on some forum (may have been this one) which said, "If someone is in my house uninvited they are not there for the lemonade."
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July 7th, 2008 09:39 AM
Why take the chance of a malfuntion occuring while racking a round? The only warning they need after the alarm and dog is the flash of my taclight before the boomstick lets go.
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July 7th, 2008 10:15 AM
Snarling dogs would drown out any other sound except gunfire.
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July 7th, 2008 01:02 PM
The fact that you asked that question demonstrates that you are a "good guy" and really don't want to unnecessarily harm another individual.
Unfortunately, the person who would enter your locked home has demonstrated that they are a "bad guy" and willing to inflict harm and possibly even death to you or anyone else in that residence without regard.
So, to answer your question... NO, no warning "rack"!
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July 7th, 2008 05:16 PM
My defensive weapons are kept in Condition One. I don't see any good reason to keep in a less than ready state. Why load less than a full load in your weapon? It's possible you might need that round.
The old cliche of the sound of the slide terrifying the bad guy into bugging out is an urban legend that just might get you killed. To see if the bad guy is one who can be scared off, you can always try a loud "I've got a [fill in the blank] pointed at your [fill in the blank]! Get outta here!"
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July 7th, 2008 05:19 PM
No. Not really. I just read in all of the "I want a shotgun" threads how some people think the slide rack is a useful deterrent.
Originally Posted by Thumper
If the scenario played in my house I would consider myself to be in a fight for my life the moment I heard glass breaking.
There would be no warning, no verbal commands, and no second chances.
I would endeavor to stop the bad guy in the most effective and efficient manner possible.
A second intruder would receive warning that I'm armed when his accomplice was effectively stopped.
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