Crazy man in my office

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    Crazy man in my office

    I have a customer that was in my office a couple of weeks ago. He's around 70 & has gone loco.

    While he was in my office, he began ranting & made a threat to hit me. Then he stated he was in the war & could stab me. At this point I stood so I could make a quick draw if needed. I told him to leave & as he was leaving he asked to use the bathroom which I replied no. He went to the parking lot & started ******* in it while everyone riding by could see. I should have called the police but I didn't.

    I feel sorry for him in the sense that he's sick but I also know that he's crazy enough to do something. Wasn't worried about him physically attacking me as he'd be easy to subdue but had he pulled a knife on me, I may have shot him. He will probably be back in. I've tried to find family to contact but have been unsuccessful. I informed my staff that I would handle him from here on out as they are scared of him & with good reason.

    How would ya'll handle it????

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    I WOULD CALL THE POLICE without any hesitation - That is definately a task they will handle for you. He needs to be evaluated for psych issues and they can take care of that before anyone gets hurt or some CCW shoots him.

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    First thing I'd have done would have been to file a police report. Maybe have him trespassed. Might not stop him from coming in, but it starts the paper trail in your favor.

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    Get a restraining order. Take care of business with him over the phone from now on. I would have made some sort of written formal complaint to have something on record. You two meeting in person again would be out of the question.

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    911

    If he does need help they will have all the available number for the local mental health facilities and the judges that can order him to get a mental health checkup. If he is just being ignorant, well then they can also handle that as well.
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    i dont know what how old you are or what type of shape you are in but as a fit 21 year old male id probably have a hard time in court justifying why i shot a mentally unstable 70 year old man who was wielding anything less than a firearm. i mean sure he could stab/cut you but i feel it would be nearly impossible for someone that age to get anywhere near me. i mean my grandpa is in his late 70's and is very active for his age. he still cuts the grass, hes up on the roof fixing things, and he's always out and about. but i know that i could but bus lengths on him if i was just jogging and he was in a full out sprint. also i know im a good bit stronger than him and even with my lacking h&h skills could disarm him and certainly anyone in poorer physical condition without even breaking a sweat. basically i don't think i would even draw unless he had a firearm of his own, since all that is required for him to kill/ seriously harm me would be a squeeze of the trigger. just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swamp Dog View Post
    . Wasn't worried about him physically attacking me as he'd be easy to subdue but had he pulled a knife on me, I may have shot him.
    Imho, If a frail 70 year old man is threatening me with a knife or fork and I am 100% positive I can take him, I would opt for the take down over taking a life anyday and would be willing to be wounded in the process. Being a veteran of Panama, and Iraq, when you take a life for any reason and you are of sound sain mind it will haunt you for the rest of your life. sorry if this is a buzz kill but sometimes people just need helped not shot. My two cents.
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    Clearly warrants a 911 call. While you may feel capable of handling the gentleman, someone else, such as a child, may not be.

    Call 911. The police have avenues to handle such folks before anyone gets hurt.

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    File a police report, get in the records so they can do their job.
    I get these type of threats all the time. Ussaly when I call it in all they do issue me a case number in case anything happens further down the line I'm told to tell who ever I talk to in the future to refer to the case number for any further issues with the person.

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    i dont know what how old you are or what type of shape you are in but as a fit 21 year old male id probably have a hard time in court justifying why i shot a mentally unstable 70 year old man who was wielding anything less than a firearm. i mean sure he could stab/cut you but i feel it would be nearly impossible for someone that age to get anywhere near me. i mean my grandpa is in his late 70's and is very active for his age. he still cuts the grass, hes up on the roof fixing things, and he's always out and about. but i know that i could but bus lengths on him if i was just jogging and he was in a full out sprint. also i know im a good bit stronger than him and even with my lacking h&h skills could disarm him and certainly anyone in poorer physical condition without even breaking a sweat. basically i don't think i would even draw unless he had a firearm of his own, since all that is required for him to kill/ seriously harm me would be a squeeze of the trigger. just my 2 cents
    I'm 35. As I said, physically not a problem. We were in an office at close quarters & I would have had to go through him to get out the door. 70 or not, I'm not going knife to hand with anyone if possible. Had his "lucky shot" cut my throat, I may not have went home. I would have avoided shooting at all costs but swinging a knife at me may have gotten him killed.
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    Actually just looked him up & he's 64 not that it matters because he still looks 70.

    I may just file a report & get it over with.

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    I really hope you don't have to go infront of a jury of your peers!

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    Me either. Juries in this area are a sad state of affairs.

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    +1 for the paper trail to CYA.
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    First thing I'd have done would have been to file a police report. Maybe have him trespassed. Might not stop him from coming in, but it starts the paper trail in your favor.
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    sometimes people just need helped not shot.
    Very true.

    I think, due to the age and physical conditioning differences of the parties involved I would be looking to retreat if I could at all. Also, your first step should've been to call 911.

    It sounds like maybe this guy has dementia and needs treatment. I don't advocate shooting an older person, or anybody for that matter, if it can be avoided. There is a reason a firearm is considered a "tool of last resort".

    As far as getting cut and maybe killed, yup. Those are the chances you take for living. I had an 80+ year old lady come at me with a Butcher Knife. She paused when I drew my gun, but I didn't shoot her. It slowed her down enough that I used the pause in her forward motion to disarm her of the knife.

    Trust me, I would not want to be a Defendant in a case where a reasonably fit person in their 30's killed someone twice their age because they had a knife. I understand the thinking, but the reality is different.

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