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    My Step Dads favorite nephew passed yesterday about noon after a protracted battle with cancer . Now all well wishes for the step dad are accepted but i did not even like the fella and that is not the point of the post . the point is that i am somewhat obligated to go to the funeral of the fella to support the step dad for a couple of reasons .
    The one ill mention here is that everyone has a " crazy uncle charley " and in this case its crazy nephew leroy . Leroy fell in with a" bad bunch" back in the 70s . He started out harmless enough by getting involved in the American Ag movement in the late 70s ( but then so did almost the entire county and a lot of farmers nationwide , including my family and myself during the early days ) . Leroy found he liked coffee table activism a lot better than he liked farming ( the actual work not the place or the lifestyle ) and ended up getting foreclosed on . Step dad ponied up the cash and bought his place , allowing him to live on it and farm it rent free for the last 25 years or so . A divorce came and went , a new woman entered who reportedly was part of the " freeman standoff " in Montana, and allegedly with federal warrants ( i do know that every year or two the feds do show up , take pics of the place with long lenses , and ask after her to the neighbors since the neighbors mention it to me ) . Over the years strange and out of state rigs have shown up there , sometimes 10 or 15 of them at a time , and trucks included . The new " wife " told the step dad to get off the property and stay off about a year ago ( remember he owns it lol ) but that blew over in about 6 months and he could again visit the house to visit the leroy. Since the wife does the accounting for the step dad i know of about $30k paid to leroy in the last year to help with bills by the stepdad . The woman and another fella who has moved in out there in the last couple of years ( no i dont think " that " is going on ) have raised paranoia to an art form and are gearing up and behaving most " un neighborly " to even the closest locals who they had in the past been friendly with . Leroy attempted to go to mexico for some type " treatment " a few months ago but they would not let him cross the border as he is on " a watch list " .

    Now the step dad is not going to have the same arrangement with the " wife " as he had with Leroy and she knows it . I , and she expect eviction proceedings to be coming forthwith . IMHO there is not much that this gal wont do and she is under stress now ( i assume she loved Leroy but aside from that her " hidie hole " is about gone as is the other hand's who lives there . I know for a fact there was at least one fire fight in and around the house , i dont know if anyone was hurt , but some trees had the hell shot out of them from multiple directions as did some old pickups ect abandoned around the place . I found out about this after the fact , and then noticed the " evidence " the next time i had to go over there . Now depending on who shows up for the funeral there are likely to be some fairly " bad apples " show up . I kinda hope some fellas in suits that no one knows , and me lol . My dress code will include a p7 hk ( hey its formal, and besides the hk is uncommon accurate ) and 6 spare mags . An Ar and a FAL with mag bags will be in the trunk . The next time ( god forbid ) you see Johnny and Jill fighting about ________ (fill in the blank) uppon a death in your family think about me ,it could be worse . With any luck it will go off fine , but ill tell you this, me and mine will walk out . Before you ask yes the locals are aware , and i fully expect them to be at the other end of the county as this comes off . Do i actually think that anything is going to happen that requires a stern word and bad look on my part , well heck no . Do i realise that its a tenderbox where it could well hell yea . I really dont have the option to do what i have for years , and not go , not play the game . Step dad is part of me and mine and no one is going to lift a hand to him if i can step in front of it .
    I will do my best that no one knows i was even carrying , and K&D has helped insure that that is likely to happen because here i will wear the p7 " tucked " . Ill also be packing a kahr and reloads for the wife who will attend with me ( her dress dont allow , and she does not carry a purse but will set next to me, remember she also is former le ) .
    I am too dammed old , and too dammed tired for this level of drama . Frankly i hoped to leave this bs behind when i left LE , but it appears that it can and will happen no matter what you do however, I will go , and i will carry , my mind is made up on both issues .
    Give me your thoughts , experiances , anything you have till wendsday Ill be a bit busy then but will check back from time to time . This is extreme but is real world not a made up scenerio and should spark at least a bit of discussion by some of us who can legally carry into a church or feel we can morally carry at a funeral.
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    Good luck and God bless. I hope the presense of the non-family members will keep the situation under control until you can exit. Other than that I would keep to the back or side so that no one can do anything without you seeing it. You seem prepared on all other accounts. It would be good if that position also kept you the closest to your vehicle and the long arms within it.

    Do you think it would be conspicuous if you wore running shoes?

    You mention that you are former LE. You might call in a favor from a current serving LEO and have them get you an escort to the cemetery that would be willing to hang out until the service breaks up.
    But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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    Wow... it's too bad situations like this are thrown upon you even though you try your best to avoid them.

    I agree with choosing where you sit with the exits or cover in mind, as well as talking to the local LEO if you are so inclined. Do you have a good relationship with them? That shouldn't matter, but it might help.

    If you think there might be trouble, is it reasonable to consider hiring some armed security to help you even the odds?

    Sounds like a tinderbox just waiting for a match. I hope you all come through it safely.

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    Perhaps your wife might carry a purse just this once. It'd be alot easier if she were carrying her own instead of relying on you to pass it to her.

    Sorry about the drama. I hope all goes well for everyone.

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    I don't think the funerals gonna be the problem I think evicting the lady off the property could become another ruby ridge,if her and the other guy decide to tell you and the cops what to do with the eviction notice or burn the house down before they leave,I seen some crazy stuff happen in 50 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I don't think the funerals gonna be the problem I think evicting the lady off the property could become another ruby ridge,if her and the other guy decide to tell you and the cops what to do with the eviction notice or burn the house down before they leave,I seen some crazy stuff happen in 50 years
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    Get in...pay your respects...get out.
    Let the lawyers and LEO's deal with the potential move. If the house burns, it burns...it's not getting shot over a burning house.

    Good luck.
    I think every family has a 'dark member' to be feared or at least not trusted.

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    (From your description of the house's area, I'd suggest taking extra mags.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Get in...pay your respects...get out.
    Let the lawyers and LEO's deal with the potential move. If the house burns, it burns...it's not getting shot over a burning house.

    Good luck.
    I think every family has a 'dark member' to be feared or at least not trusted.

    Stay armed...stay armed...stay safe!

    (From your description of the house's area, I'd suggest taking extra mags.)
    I don't know about relatives being feared but I had some crazy uncles introduced me to the wonderful world of dynamite and a cannon back when I was about 9,mom never let me hang out with them ever again for some reason
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    Since not going is not an option, get in and get out.

    Save the arguements for later and be cordial, but have a plan for every step of the way. Don't be afraid to eat a little "crow" if that's what it takes to leave without a problem. Also, don't be afraid to cut the conversation off and pull your step-dad out if there's a storm brewing.

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    Will probably go off without a hitch, so to speak. But you can't let your dad be there without being his back-up. Even if he is unaware you're his back-up.

    Like others have said, get in & get out quickly and unscathed. Like ret, let the lawyers and LEO's take things from there.

    If house burns, so be it. I do hope your dad follows up on eviction after funeral is over and things settle down. No need to let that property get away from him.

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    I think you have a good plan so far, and good advice above. Just be careful (not necessary to really say obviously), and keep on your toes for the next couple of months as everything unfolds.

    Good luck.

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    I would stop by the Parlor several days ahead of time and get the lay of the land. Enterance and exits, cover and consealment. I would get to the funuel early and get the best positions. Parking the car, Sitting in the row, Hidding a glock 26 with extra mag in the bottom of a tissue box, It would look normal the wife carring or sitting next to a tissue box.Hope all works out for you

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    After services report ...
    the church was not big enough , and some " mourners " set on folding chairs to be in the chapel, others got other rooms or roamed the " hall " . The " wife " is on best behavior and now has a deal to stay until the crops are harvested ( next july or so since they have a small acerage of wheat that is now " planted " ) . So for the moment things are pretty defused on a family level . If anyone here is a " fed " i wish to mention a few things , 1. We dont all wear farmeralls , and if we do we dont wear them with floorshimes ... ever .. 2. fleet vehicles are recognizable , no matter its one or 10 of them . 3. If your going to wear " farmeralls " and floorshimes then dont start your " interview " with me by making such an inane statement as " He was a nice guy , and i like cows ... by the way just where do you farm ? " and the next statement is " Just how do you know Kate ?? " If you insist that you know what you are doing it would help if you did not have " fleet cars " at the funeral, it would help more if you did not have a van parked down the way complete with graphics and " spinners " . we dont see a lot of that here , and i am sure yall got a lot of face close ups , but remember the grins . I saw two folk from the 70s or early 80s . I saw some well intentioned LE on the fed level . ( i do respect the team and the supervisor for saying that they are not going to creat an incident burying leroy . Its a bad thing all the way arround , and btw ... my best reccomendations is that YOU dont sidle up to any fed and suggest that the costume lacks . the ones i have delt with suggest jail time for corrective suggestions .
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    After services report ...
    the church was not big enough , and some " mourners " set on folding chairs to be in the chapel, others got other rooms or roamed the " hall " . The " wife " is on best behavior and now has a deal to stay until the crops are harvested ( next july or so since they have a small acerage of wheat that is now " planted " ) . So for the moment things are pretty defused on a family level . If anyone here is a " fed " i wish to mention a few things , 1. We dont all wear farmeralls , and if we do we dont wear them with floorshimes ... ever .. 2. fleet vehicles are recognizable , no matter its one or 10 of them . 3. If your going to wear " farmeralls " and floorshimes then dont start your " interview " with me by making such an inane statement as " He was a nice guy , and i like cows ... by the way just where do you farm ? " and the next statement is " Just how do you know Kate ?? " If you insist that you know what you are doing it would help if you did not have " fleet cars " at the funeral, it would help more if you did not have a van parked down the way complete with graphics and " spinners " . we dont see a lot of that here , and i am sure yall got a lot of face close ups , but remember the grins . I saw two folk from the 70s or early 80s . I saw some well intentioned LE on the fed level . ( i do respect the team and the supervisor for saying that they are not going to creat an incident burying leroy . Its a bad thing all the way arround , and btw ... my best reccomendations is that YOU dont sidle up to any fed and suggest that the costume lacks . the ones i have delt with suggest jail time for corrective suggestions .
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    Gun Fight at a Funeral?

    Dude I would seriously reconsider attending. And if I did attend I would stay toward the back and leave the engine running. Forget the long guns, if something goes down that will look too much like intent.

    Carry a pistol and several clips. As for the eviction goto to the local lawyer that is "connected" and give him the case and a few thousand dollars and he will make sure the local SWAT team and fire department do a surprise raid and take care of your "problem".

    Money doesn't talk it screams.

    I've seen this senerio play out again and again...

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