Armed guard at the public library?

Armed guard at the public library?

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    Armed guard at the public library?

    I live in a suburb of Phoenix in a relative new city.

    I go to the library a lot to get books for my three toddlers. I've noticed that there's a sign at the door saying there's no weapons allowed. However, there's an armed guard sitting right by the entrance most days.

    Now I'm wondering what the guard is supposed to do if a BG just walks in and pulls a gun? It seems to me that he's a sitting duck - in fact he is sitting at a desk most of the time.

    Also, I've read that the State Constitution of Arizona states that if a public building prohibits guns, that they provide a place to store the gun in the form of locked storage which our city does not. So I CC anywhere I want.

    Seriously, just who's idea of security was this???
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    At least he's armed. The worst is when they tell you that you can't have a gun and there is a 70 year old Grandpa with a flashlight guarding everyone. ...sigh... They just don't get it.
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    Here we can carry in a library,which reminds me i need to get a library card
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    70 year old Grandpa with a flashlight guarding everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckE View Post
    I live in a suburb of Phoenix in a relative new city.

    I go to the library a lot to get books for my three toddlers. I've noticed that there's a sign at the door saying there's no weapons allowed. However, there's an armed guard sitting right by the entrance most days.

    Now I'm wondering what the guard is supposed to do if a BG just walks in and pulls a gun? It seems to me that he's a sitting duck - in fact he is sitting at a desk most of the time.

    Also, I've read that the State Constitution of Arizona states that if a public building prohibits guns, that they provide a place to store the gun in the form of locked storage which our city does not. So I CC anywhere I want.

    Seriously, just who's idea of security was this???
    I've seen the same thing (at least at the one in Gilbert on Greenfield).

    I've also noticed that they're sitting at the desk - often facing towards the library and not the entrance or at a side view so they can see everywhere. Seems like they're more for keeping books/equipment from being stolen than offering protection for anyone.

    Oh well. I gotta give them credit for at least being armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockk View Post
    I've also noticed that they're sitting at the desk - often facing towards the library and not the entrance or at a side view so they can see everywhere. Seems like they're more for keeping books/equipment from being stolen than offering protection for anyone.
    Yup. I think you hit the nail on the head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckE View Post
    I live in a suburb of Phoenix in a relative new city.

    I go to the library a lot to get books for my three toddlers. I've noticed that there's a sign at the door saying there's no weapons allowed. However, there's an armed guard sitting right by the entrance most days.

    Also, I've read that the State Constitution of Arizona states that if a public building prohibits guns, that they provide a place to store the gun in the form of locked storage which our city does not. So I CC anywhere I want.
    I have a friend who is a big-time activist that got Phoenix to install gun lockers at their Public Library, as they weren't complying with the law either.

    I suggest that you contact your state org or look up CD Tavares to get some action in your community. Hope this is helpful. I live on the right coast and can carry into any municipal building legally, so we don't have those kind of problems.

    Good Luck!

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    Sorry ChuckE

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckE View Post
    I live in a suburb of Phoenix in a relative new city.

    I go to the library a lot to get books for my three toddlers. I've noticed that there's a sign at the door saying there's no weapons allowed. However, there's an armed guard sitting right by the entrance most days.

    Now I'm wondering what the guard is supposed to do if a BG just walks in and pulls a gun? It seems to me that he's a sitting duck - in fact he is sitting at a desk most of the time.

    Also, I've read that the State Constitution of Arizona states that if a public building prohibits guns, that they provide a place to store the gun in the form of locked storage which our city does not. So I CC anywhere I want.

    Seriously, just who's idea of security was this???
    I'm still stuck on an Armed Guard at a Public Library...Wow!!!

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    Armed security at a library isnt anything new around for the cities library's. Its meant as a deterant more than anything else, I doubt the actually expect them to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckE View Post
    there's a sign at the door saying there's no weapons allowed.

    Also, I've read that the State Constitution of Arizona states that if a public building prohibits guns, that they provide a place to store the gun in the form of locked storage which our city does not.
    IANAL, but I would suggest that the library is not in compliance with the law, and so would have trouble making violation of a mutual-compliance code stick. Ignore in happiness, and be concealed. If you want to be secure from a trespass warning, ask for clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Armed security at a library isnt anything new around for the cities library's. Its meant as a deterant more than anything else, I doubt the actually expect them to do anything.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bando View Post
    At least he's armed. The worst is when they tell you that you can't have a gun and there is a 70 year old Grandpa with a flashlight guarding everyone. ...sigh... They just don't get it.
    Yea, but does he have rounds for his weapon.
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    But you don't understand... the sheep FEEL much better because he's there. It doesn't matter that the guard is virtually useless against an armed attacker, all that matters is that the easily frightened sheep FEEL safe.
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    You're absolutely right. During the summer, my branch was packed every single day with kids and mothers as they have a kids reading program.

    If there's a "good" place for a BG to look for victims, the library would be second only to a school.

    The armed security guard would just be the first victim is all.

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    But you don't understand... the sheep FEEL much better because he's there. It doesn't matter that the guard is virtually useless against an armed attacker, all that matters is that the easily frightened sheep FEEL safe.
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    Originally Posted by Thumper
    But you don't understand... the sheep FEEL much better because he's there. It doesn't matter that the guard is virtually useless against an armed attacker, all that matters is that the easily frightened sheep FEEL safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckE View Post
    You're absolutely right. During the summer, my branch was packed every single day with kids and mothers as they have a kids reading program.

    If there's a "good" place for a BG to look for victims, the library would be second only to a school.

    The armed security guard would just be the first victim is all.
    Those were my thoughts exactly. There is just no way I would sit down as a lone armed security guard in a place like that.
    Sure, most of the days would be pretty much boring. But should some crazy BG ever come in, I'd feel like a sitting duck.


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