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    A couple of questions on the canned "fix a flat" stuff. Does it cause the tire to run out of balance? Is it a permenant fix? Do you have to at some later date get the tire fixed at a dealership? Sorry about all the ??? Why am I even asking this, hell I'm the guy that would run the dead tire off the rim if I had to to get out of trouble..
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    Craig - AFAIK - the ''fix'' is strictly temporary a ''get you home'' deal.

    I doubt any imbalance will occur if the vehicle is driven such that centripetal force distributes goo uniformly - if tho allowed to ''puddle'' first then just perhaps some problem - not sure.
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    Fix A Flat

    Does it permanently fix the flat? I'm not sure.
    I guess it must seal the puncture but, Forever ~ I don't know.
    I remember that they DO tell you to deflate the tire & then refill it with Ordinary Aire...& not to leave the canned compressed gas in the tire for an extended period of time.
    I don't think it would cause any tire balance issues.

    I would pick up a can on the hardware store shelf & read the can label as there are now different brands.

    I know (for a fact) that it sure did save us one hell of a lot of trouble once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigJS
    A couple of questions on the canned "fix a flat" stuff. Does it cause the tire to run out of balance? Is it a permenant fix? Do you have to at some later date get the tire fixed at a dealership? Sorry about all the ??? Why am I even asking this, hell I'm the guy that would run the dead tire off the rim if I had to to get out of trouble..
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    I've used liquid tire inflator maybe 40 times through the past 20 years I've been driving. Yes I do get alot of flats. In that time I've used the inflator and most often found it holds a seal permanently and have in maybe 75% of the instances let it ride at that not replacing the tire. I happen to be a stickler for auto maint. and it's normal for me to check tire pressure twice monthly. The stuff works and works well in general. If the tire holds pressure and is the damage is just a screw or such I'll let it ride.
    As for balancing you are instructed to fill the tire and then _immediately_ drive away to spread the liquid around within the tire casing itself prior to it solidifying. If you do not do this and I mean immediately it will lump up at the lowest point of the tire and will feel like hell as the tire will be out of balance and likely the sealent won't get to the spot where the actual puncture is located. This has happened to me twice. It's easy stuff; fill tire then drive away. Do not dilly dally as the clock is running once it's out of the can.
    If the tire doesn't hold pressure over the cours of several days then yeah takeit into a service specialist to be repaired. But when you do be sure to note to the technician that you have used tire inflator on the given tire as the gasses emitted by the residue can combust upon a spark as such from that of a tire bead breaker/tire remover. Most product cans have a small sticker on the side to affix to the rim of the tire upon use noting it's use to a technician. It's a rare occurrence but the potential is there so do your tire guy a favor and use the sticker. Oh and I'm referring to normal use passenger car tires. If you happen to have a high performance vehicle such as a Z06 Corvette and/or use your vehicle in an automotive sport such as autocross that depends on high levels of tire construction and consistent tire pressure maint. then yes this a limp home solution only. Otherwise as I noted it can and I have used it as a long term solution and have not at all been the worst for wear figuratively or literally as related to normal and expected tire aging.

    One other item this is a good product not just for dark parking lots and such as the topic of this thread. More likely is a flat that might occur while on the road or worst a highway. This has happened to me 5 times twice in rain once in the middle of the night with my wife. You do not want to be out on the side of a highway anywhere changing a tire. It's very very dangerous and people are killed by other drivers who stare at and drive right into your car as well as drunk drivers too. Ask most any LEO and they'll proably have a story along the same lines to tell you of such or near misses while having someone pulled over.
    The product can be found anywhere and everywhere be it Wal-Mart, AutoZone, Sears or your local filling station and generally runs now days in the $5 (passenger car) to $7 (SUV/truck) range. Last item once used it's a general rule that the product will expedite aging of the tires casing as due to the chemicals used to seal the tire. Even still I've got tires that I've safely driven over 15K miles on and once I pulled the tire (I do my own repairs) have noted little if any tire casing degredation. I'm only telling you about this as full disclosure although personally it is not at all anything I concern myself with as based on practical experience and use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq
    It's very very dangerous and people are killed by other drivers who stare at and drive right into your car as well as drunk drivers too. Ask most any LEO and they'll proably have a story along the same lines to tell you of such or near misses while having someone pulled over.
    Very true- it's how I learned to drive an ambulance- "where your eyes lead, the truck follows."

    I've been using some great stuff (can't remember the name, right now, but Walmart sells it). It's fluorescent green/orange/yellow, depending on the vehicle application. You fill your tire before you get the flat. Does it work? As best I can tell, I ran over something like a cut-off piece of angle-iron that left a 1" gash in the tread surface of one of my front tires. I only noticed because the tire was looking low, and when I stopped at the pump, I saw green slime in the treads. Got me home, about 15 miles.(I wasn't brave enough to drive around with something that large for "test purposes"! )

    As far as the mall scenario goes, my wife gets mad at me for parking in the BFE corners of lots, but... anyone or anything near my vehicle is there because it chose to be. I have the time and distance to evaluate it. I've never worried about having to go that "far" to my vehicle either. Again, anyone following is going to be obvious, innocent or otherwise.

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    Post Good Comments

    And great additions.
    Thanks to Jang & Rob for their valuable informational help.

    And Yes, you CAN get creamed sitting on the side of the road In Your Vehicle & waiting for AAA.
    That happens often enough to be a minor concern.

    And (of course) LEOs already know to keep those "eyes in the back of their heads" wide open also.
    Some good LEOs have been seriously slammed by rubber~necking drivers....just wanting to see what's going on.

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    I use the prevent-a-flat (SLIME) in my ATV, my land has a lot of thorny plants and this stuff does really work, I often see small green spots on the tires where something has poked them, but the tire is still up. I have never put it in the tires of a street machine, but it doesn't set up until it comes out of a pressurized environment so I would think that it might make a tire out of balance first thing in the morning but should distribute out once you start driving. On the wife’s car I bought some “life time” tires from a local tire dealer, they come with roadside assistance, along with AAA and a can of Fix-A-Flat and a cell phone with cigarette charger cord kept in the car and she should be OK; throw in Mr. Glock and she is well covered in case of a flat.

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    Yes, SLIME! They tell you to put it in, air-up, and drive 5-10 miles (IIRC) to distribte the stuff. I haven't noticed any "clumpity-clump", so possibly it forms a gel surface, inside the tire(?). Don't know.......

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    Slime works the same way as traditional liquid tire inflator.
    I know about it though from bicycles cross country and mountain and it works as advertised and reported by others in the thread. I've not used it in a car/automobile nor have I ever preemptively inflated my tires with traditional liquid tire inflator to see if it'll guard against tread punctures as Slime does.
    Slime has been around for over 15 years as applied to bicycles and IIRC ten or so toward cars.

    Additonally for those who do notlike the idea of a liqid tire inflator or waiting on a service company (e.g. AAA) there is always the use of run flat tires which now days are not all that costly and they can be driven with zero pressure at speeds up to 50 mph asdepending on mfr. and brand. If folks are uber concerned about such a scenario then this is the way to go as they'll stand up to sidewall damage too.

    Just another $0.02

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    Flat Tires

    A bunch of well thought out ideas! Thank you. The tire aerosol inflator stuff has worked once for me. It worked, but the tire was then out of balance, so it got repaired quickly. This is a great reminder to go buy a bunch to put in all of my families cars.

    I also have a self contained air compressor, battery pack with jumper cables and a built-in safety flasher. It only weighs about 10 lbs, so it's easy to stow, and can fix slow flats or dead batteries. The pack is rechargable with a 110 v transformer or a car power take off plug. Handy deal. The power packs have different amperage capabilities, so if you get one, make sure it will handle your car or trucks system.

    In cold climates I also carry blankets and candles, among other safety gear like jumper cables. Probably ought to get some flares too.


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    Update:

    Last night while out on 'date night' my wife and I returned to our truck to notice the passenger front tire very low on air. I literally laughed out loud immediately thinking off this thread. This would be the third time we've had a flat on two new tires for that wheel alone. I've got the worst luck when it comes to tires. :(
    Anyway it was 34 degrees out last night and we were parked on the street not at all an opportune place for me to change the tire to the spare. Calling on the Honda Roadside Service (free) was not an option either as we had to get back home to let my mother inlaw get home as she was watching out 3 yr. old.
    So I went to the storage area and retrieved the tall can of Prestone brand 'Instant Tire Inflator' I keep back there with the ice scrapers and umbrellas. Removed the tire valve, shook the can hard, attached the can to the valve and 3 mintues later I tossed the emptied can into a public waste basket and we were on the road. Initially the tire had less than 25% air volume as it was just barely standing on the sidewall but not yet rim touching the ground. Upon application of the tire inflator the tire was I'd say 90% full more than enough air to drive without any pulling or other side effects. I immediately hopped in the truck and pulled off heading home. THis mornign I checked the tire pressure and it was at 30lbs. so I topped it off another 5 psi and that will most likely be the last of it. I did not find where the puncture is located.

    - Janq

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    Good to know it works Janq - next job is to exhorcize that front right gremlin
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    The tire stuff does work some better than others..

    The Right Front tire Demon is a problem there need to Figure that one out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud White
    The tire stuff does work some better than others..

    The Right Front tire Demon is a problem there need to Figure that one out
    Bud,

    I've been through two new tires there in just under 40K miles.
    The first time was a nail in the tire, second was a puncture in the sidewall (tire replaced), and now this. Every time it's been the right front. :p
    If it holds constant pressure for two weeks then I'm going to let it ride as the lease is up in 90 days anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq
    Bud,

    I've been through two new tires there in just under 40K miles.
    The first time was a nail in the tire, second was a puncture in the sidewall (tire replaced), and now this. Every time it's been the right front. :p
    If it holds constant pressure for two weeks then I'm going to let it ride as the lease is up in 90 days anyway.

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    Works for me maybe you should back in if you dont all ready

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