New Trend in Violent Juvenile Crime
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October 14th, 2008 04:50 PM
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New Trend in Violent Juvenile Crime
ExSoldier: After reading this consider what you're going to do if you are presented with a roving band of angry and violent juveniles? Especially consider how you going to react if they're NOT armed? Remember the rule of thumb remains "Parity of Force" in many jurisdictions. But numbers also multiply the threat of death or serious bodily injury which is one of the preconditions for use of deadly force.
Attacks by Teen Groups Rising in D.C. and Nation
By Theola Labbé-DeBose
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 13, 2008; B01
D.C. police say they are seeing a growing number of teenagers and young adults traveling in groups to assault and rob unsuspecting citizens, a trend that mirrors crimes in cities across the country.
In an eight-hour period last week, five people were attacked by juveniles in separate incidents, including an armed carjacking, in the Southwest waterfront neighborhood. And in the past month, there have been between seven and 11 "pack robberies" in or near Adams Morgan in Northwest Washington, Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier said.
Similar attacks have occurred in the Brookland area of Northeast and Chinatown. Police said the crimes are not necessarily related but are part of an increase that has led to heightened enforcement.
"They're looking for someone who has a cellphone or someone using an iPod. Or they're just looking for some fast cash or a credit card," Lanier said Friday at a news conference in Adams Morgan, where she announced that there will be more patrols there. "You'll have a lone person walking, and there are five young males or more, and it's ridiculous. There's no need to beat people in those circumstances, but that's what they do. Just senseless."
The attacks in Southwest unfolded between 5 p.m. Monday and 1 a.m. Tuesday. The trouble began when five teenagers on bicycles attacked a man from behind, pushed him to the ground, hit him in the face and stomach, and fled. Police said they think that the attackers were between 16 and 18 years old.
A 52-year-old lawyer suffered serious head trauma after four to six teenagers beat him in the 1000 block of Sixth Street SW about 9 p.m. Monday. Later Monday, also in Southwest, two teenagers stuck a gun in a man's face, slapped him and demanded his belongings, police said. After the victim said he didn't have anything, the teenagers fled, police said.
In another incident, a man was hit in the head from behind with a brick. And three youths confronted a Southwest resident early Tuesday in the 200 block of I Street SW, surprising him after he parked his car at an apartment building. After forcing a gun to his head, the youths stole $20 and his car and led a U.S. Capitol Police official on a chase until they crashed the car, authorities said. Canine units eventually forced Raymond Sturgis, 17, of the 200 block of K Street SW out of hiding, and he has been charged as an adult.
Irv Gamza, 83, who has lived in Southwest for more than four decades, said crimes committed by teenagers have become more serious in the past several years. "First they just annoy or harass people. Then they start getting physical. And then they rob," Gamza said.
Gamza, who is a member of the police Citizens' Advisory Council, said that if anyone in the neighborhood claims not to be afraid of groups of roaming juveniles, they "are just lying to themselves."
"Right now, the major concern of residents is that people are putting guns to their faces when they're coming home from work or dinner," he said.
Staff writers Paul Duggan and Martin Weil contributed to this report.
This post is an EXCERPT of the original article but is unchanged beyond length.
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October 14th, 2008 04:54 PM
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I've got to get used to carrying more spare mags. I realize my weak points more and more as the days go by.
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October 14th, 2008 04:57 PM
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This kind of stuff is sweeping our nation and they get bolder with each encounter.........its time to 

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October 14th, 2008 05:00 PM
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It's DC. They know their victim will not be armed.
Avoid DC when possible.
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October 14th, 2008 05:03 PM
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Yeap, I'd run home and assemble my SD piece and ....
I'd move from DC.
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October 14th, 2008 05:09 PM
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Group robberies, eh...could lead to groups of victims. A gang is a disparity of force for sure...I'm not playing around...leave me alone.
As the group gets larger the mentality drops...
Stay armed...it may take an extra mag...stay safe!
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October 14th, 2008 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
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Group robberies, eh...could lead to groups of victims. A gang is a disparity of force for sure...I'm not playing around...leave me alone.
As the group gets larger the mentality drops...
Stay armed...it may take an extra mag...stay safe!
Try that in DC and you will probably spend the rest of your life in prison.
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October 14th, 2008 05:17 PM
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I've been to Adams Morgan, and its a fun place to go, but I'm usually traveling with a large group of people.
Walking around anywhere in DC alone at night is probably a bad idea to begin with.
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October 14th, 2008 06:04 PM
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Another prime example of today's youth of America..
For our future generation's sake I suggest we all work on our foot-to-ass coordination with the teenager(s) in our life. 
We are only as vulnerable as we are naive.
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October 14th, 2008 07:05 PM
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I just returned from a week in VA with two days spend in DC. Man, to be there and be unarmed was not a friendly thing. Only once did we venture away from the tourist areas. Always had the Spyderco, but no Smith. Left before dark.
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October 14th, 2008 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by
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Try that in DC and you will probably spend the rest of your life in prison.
Wouldn't go to D.C. even if I won an all expenses paid trip...
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October 14th, 2008 07:43 PM
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Sign of the times, the cancer is spreading, break down of the family is bearing fruit. Extra mags will help with the pickings.
While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3
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October 14th, 2008 08:49 PM
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It's too bad that Police Chief C. Lanier and the mayor aren't listed among the victims being attacked. It would seem like justice to me for the putz's to be on the receiving end of these gangs when they are forcing the citizens of D.C. to live unarmed and in fear of crime.
Geez, George and Thomas would be pisssed if they knew what was going on in our country.
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October 14th, 2008 08:59 PM
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Not JUST DC

Originally Posted by
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D.C. police say they are seeing a growing number of teenagers and young adults traveling in groups to assault and rob unsuspecting citizens, a trend that mirrors crimes in cities across the country.
So the root article was about DC but the topic sentence seems to indicate the issue is growing into a nationwide problem and might just visit a town near you someday soon. I think it best to consider a "what if" scenario before the real thing "considers" me.
You don't have to get anywhere near DC, things like this have a habit of coming home, no matter where "home" really is located.
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October 14th, 2008 09:19 PM
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well,I am a 65 year old man and I know I can't whip anyone any more not to mention 5 but I am still strong enough to pull the trigger at least 5 times.I don't plan on giving in to young punks.The army taught me a valuble trade a long time ago and if I have to I can use it again.sj
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