Met and threatened while walking out of house
This is a discussion on Met and threatened while walking out of house within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by MitchellCT
"after he locked his apartment door he was met by five young males, who proceeded to tell him what his ...
November 13th, 2008 07:53 AM
Originally Posted by MitchellCT
I am with you on this one, and I also think it is possible for something like that to actually happend.
Now for the answerer what would I do if I had a pistola, well I would show it to them and shortly after I would reply "perhaps there are many things you don't know about me". Most likly they were bluffing, I doubt they had a man inside if they did they would have done something else.
Thats my take on it.
November 13th, 2008 07:53 AM
It aint rocket science. Something as simple as a work application could have provided the required info. Perhaps the guys posts on Facebook or myspace or something of that nature. You'd be suprised what one can read on some of those sites.
So 5 bangers put together FBI-NSA level surveillance on this measly campus security guard?
One guy watching the house for any amount of time could have figured out when he,she was there and and when they werent.
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November 13th, 2008 10:38 AM
So you'd give up the element of supprise to say something snarky?
Originally Posted by Mikey
November 13th, 2008 12:18 PM
I realize this, in today's age the internet could get you all that info without even leaving your house maybe except for the kids names and schools, what I was getting at was why would a gang even waste the time on a random guard getting such information.
Originally Posted by HotGuns
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November 13th, 2008 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by hbabler
All 5 would have been eating dirt until I got help and if they refused to get down and eat dirt, all 5 would have been force fed some lead. You don't mess with the family.
November 29th, 2008 09:25 PM
While I agree this COULD be a piece of fiction, why is it so unbelievable....He is a security guard, there are many things he could have done to get the gang's attention. He could have busted the gang's "leader" or a source for their drugs. It's not that far out there of a story, and the information they had would not be that hard to get.
What better things do gang members have to do than harass people anyway? Go to work?
November 29th, 2008 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by packinnova
I have learned from many deployments, a UPS store (or other company) is a godsend. All of my mail goes there, when I deploy or move like I am about to, I keep the mailbox and have it forwarded by the UPS store every other week. A year and a half in Afghanistan and no one knew that I didn’t work with or was a close friend. Even if you have my address off bills or anything you will only get as far as a mailbox. You have to physically follow me or be real good at police work to find where I actually live. A lot of the Full Time RV retired community does the same thing, as they arrive at a new resort they have their mail sent to them by the UPS Store. No mailbox at my actual home for someone to rifle through to get my info.
This sounds fishy one way or the other, if true I would have to ask myself is he a real close friend. If he isn’t it sounds like trouble for you and yours waiting to happen. If he is a close friend in need, I would take serious precautions before getting involved, because if they are following him that close and you start working with him do you want your family in the same boat.
Also as SIXTO said -
Originally Posted by SIXTO
November 30th, 2008 12:52 AM
He needs to protect family first, and smart to have them somewhere they won't know about.
Some people don't need much of an excuse to try to threaten or intimidate people. I guess I've dealt with too many of these types of numbskulls. That info is a piece of cake to get and know. Hell, just ask a few people around there.... have you seen John, oh he usually comes home at 3 p.m., oh... what time does he leave ? Do you know how I could get a hold of him at work ? People don't realize how much info they actually give out, when pieced together with other info.
Ya don't threaten my family..... nor do they understand how dedicated I would become ..... but they would soon understand that...
December 1st, 2008 01:42 AM
You threaten my family you die, Period.
December 1st, 2008 03:43 AM
Move out and don't look back!!
December 1st, 2008 08:47 AM
You say that "Yes the police have the ability to handle this if things continue to escalate."
Police are having a tough time dealing with organized gangs all over the country.
If the scenario you give us is true and not fiction based "mall ninja babble" from your friend I would not feel secure with any local police being able to handle it.
December 1st, 2008 09:37 AM
If I where your friend, I would keep my new address classified, by forwarding his mail from his old address, to a PO Box, and his boss should have his personnel records, and school records sealed.
I was recruited to work for the local Sheriff’s department while I was an actual student in college, and it was crucial that NO ONE knew.
Mind you this was back in the 70’s but the Sheriff wanted it kept very confidential; Even my records at the SD where sealed, and only the Sheriff himself, the chief deputy, and the sergeant in charge of the NARC squad knew.
Sooo… Take this from someone who knows. Sure schools are suppose to be a safe place of learning, and growing of young minds, but it’s also BIG business for drug dealers.
If I where your friend, I would leave the drug dealers, and gangs alone, and do my job of protecting the students from common everyday violations.
And carrying a gun would not change my opinion.
December 1st, 2008 09:52 AM
I'd seriously wonder how "five young males" gained access to my "gated campus housing". Either security is non-existent or this story is a little aggrandized in some ways. Sounds like a made up scenario thing to me. Who knows.
December 3rd, 2008 05:41 AM
Ok, this is just my take on the situation and certainly doesn't carry any weight of experience on this... But I have seen a lot of movies and I did stay at a Holiday Inn a couple of weeks ago.
If this is just a story... I wouldn't do anything different.
If this is totally true... and I was an unarmed, non-commissioned campus security guard who had a wife and small children and I did not own any weapons, I would immediately quit my job, move out of the area or in with some relatives and do my best to protect my family by getting as far away from the situation as fast as possible.
While the surveillance that was gathered on the guy was not too terribly hard to find out... It would take some concerted effort for the gang bangers to obtain.
Why is the question.... If this guy allowed that much surveillance to be done on him and have absolutely no idea why they are even interested in him in particular, I would have to say he is in the wrong line of work or there is more to the story than we know.
Either way... his situational awareness level and counter-surveillance skills leave a lot to be desired and if things happened exactly as was posted. That type of intimidation would certainly get my attention and is a definite threatening situation and his main priority should be to make sure his family is safe.
Now, if I were a commissioned peace officer and something like that happened, I would handle it totally different. For one thing, I would be pissed that I allowed that to even happen and I would certainly harden my position, and start investigating. They wouldn't be getting away with it, that's for sure.
But as an un-armed, non-commissioned campus security guard, that pay check isn't worth me doing much more than saying adios to that pay check and moving on to another line of work.
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