Best way to get advantage over BG when approached
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November 21st, 2008 07:38 PM
Best way to get advantage over BG when approached
I would like to present two scenarios and get opinions on what is the best tactical way to handle it. (Did I just say "tactical"? )
You and a friend (either same or opposite sex, spouse, etc) are walking down the street. Someone approaches you and you don't have a good feeling about this. Is it better to have you and friend spread out or stay close together? In other words, instead of (potential) BG in front of both of you, you spread out and create a triangle, one on each side of BG.
Same scenario, except there are two BGs.
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November 21st, 2008 08:08 PM
For me personally, I'd most likely be walking with my wife, and would stay between her and BG.
So I'd say we would not separate, certainly not to give BG an opportunity to have access to her while I am on the other side of him.
Geeze, I'd do what I could to not let ourselves be surrounded, and if possible, change direction to avoid any contact.
Just my first thoughts.
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November 21st, 2008 08:54 PM
I would cross the street if dipstick mirrors me then he gets a verbal if he continues then I warn him a second time and try to create distance if he decides to come at me then If I feel threatened he meets the holster"MONKEY" similar to the trunk monkey but handheld
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November 21st, 2008 08:57 PM
Spread apart.... I want lots of room to operate in if I need it. You will be in my way. I don't want to get shot or knifed because of you being in my way. If they go after you, then I have a better vantage point to get them off or away from you, or to not shoot you in the process of shooting them.
Whatever you do.... don't get in between me and them.... you just negated anything I could do.
November 21st, 2008 08:59 PM
with the girl friend or mom or sister id stay between the bg and them, with a friend or my dad or something id probably split because now the attackers got two ( at least one armed) guys out of arms reach to deal with should he try anything funny.
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November 21st, 2008 09:04 PM
From a tactical standpoint...spreading would be better. From a practical standpoint...more than likely, one would put friend behind. Either way, directly side by side is not good if you perceive bad things happening...maximum freedom of movement and line of sight the best.
November 21st, 2008 09:10 PM
My wife and I are going to change directions,...together and quickly.
If followed, then I know my senses were telling me the truth.
BG's are getting one warning...loud and stern to stay back...while we keep moving.
If approach continues, bad things are about to happen.
Stay armed...take control...stay safe!
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November 21st, 2008 09:54 PM
Distance and speed are your friend....side by side isn't good for that, but I'd be hard pressed to seperate from my wife or a child (most likely who'd I be with).....one or two BG's. I'd just have to take it as it happens.
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November 21st, 2008 09:56 PM
My best friend (my wife) carries, and we're always hanging out, so we split up to gain distance and angles. Woe to the threat if the shizzle smacks the wall.
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November 21st, 2008 11:02 PM
I think we are saying the same thing...I too would be hard pressed to seperate. Why I would want them to be behind me as cover...and so they can run in any direction.
Originally Posted by goldshellback
November 21st, 2008 11:11 PM
If my second is unarmed or a non combatant, I would try to get they to retreat and head for cover , while I cover our retreat. If my second is armed as well, we both work on retreat while watching the threat(s).
Whenever at all possible I will chose the final point of contact for the encounter.
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November 21st, 2008 11:24 PM
Good tactic, I would try the same. My wife carries (most of the time ); if we use our middle name, it means we are at SHTF minus one ...
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November 22nd, 2008 09:51 AM
With my wife and 1 BG, she gets behind me and keeps moving towards a safe area while deal with the issue.
With a buddy and 1 BG, separate and triangulate.
Wife and BG+, she gets behind me and we are both moving towards safe area.
Buddy and BG+, arms width apart, looking for tactical advantage.
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November 22nd, 2008 02:40 PM
My understanding is that flanking is a basic tenet of maneuver warfare.
For your scenario, this means moving away from each other and getting to the sides of your opponent. To engage one of you, he has to turn his back on the other.
The same is true with two bad guys, plus it presents them with something they probably weren't expecting, which I would imagine would cause them to telegraph their intent.
Plus, in an actual gunfight, you don't want the two of you standing close enough together so the BG(s) can make easy shots at both of you. You want his "sight picture" to have to change as much as possible.
November 22nd, 2008 03:01 PM
It would all depend on the situation and the surrounding terrain. It would be easy to look at this and come up with an extremely tactical solution, but I will instead answer the questions honestly.
Assuming that my buddy isn't armed, we would stick together. That is until a real threat presented itself and then I would quickly move in a direction of cover while drawing my own gun. This would do several things for me:
1. It would be totally unexpected
2. It would present the BG with a moving target(he would probably focus on me instead of my partner because the eye is attracted to movement) which is another plus.
3. It would give me distance which helps for several reasons;
-I'm probably a better shot than him
-the attack my be in the form of a knife or a club
-even if I have a wardrobe malfunction and can't get the gun out quickly, at least I have gotten of the x and hopefully cover
5. I my friend is armed then we have instantly flanked them, if not and it is my family, then I have drawn the fire away from them. Hopefully whoever I'm with will take the hint and find cover.
6. If the person I'm with doesn't find cover and is somehow over taken by the BG'S then I have to change gears and move right back in on them Hostage Rescue style.
7. This is a simple tactic that works in a lot of situations.
Move while drawing and or seek cover while drawing and fire.
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