Mall shooting ... again - Tukwila, WA. (Seattle)

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    Mall shooting ... again - Tukwila, WA. (Seattle)

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    TUKWILA, Wash. Police began evacuating Southcenter Mall in Tukwila after a young man shot and seriously wounded two other young men inside the mall Saturday afternoon.

    Police spokesman Mike Murphy told KING-TV that police believed the shooter, armed with a pistol, might still be in the mall and officers were conducting a store-by-store search for him.

    The assailant and the two victims were all in their late teens or early 20s. The two victims were rushed to Seattle's Harborview Medical Center.

    Murphy said no other people were injured.

    SWAT teams from all over Puget Sound converged on the mall to help search for the suspect, who is believed to have gotten into an altercation with the two victims.

    Witness Kayla Shaw says she was eating lunch when she heard gunshots. She says she saw someone being handcuffed before she evacuated.
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    My wife and my daughter went north for shopping today... thank God! She frequently goes to that mall because it's so large and near her family. I hope they catch him.

    All the witness accounts on the T.V. have the shooter running towards the exit immediately afterward. It was a result of some sort of altercation. The description of the shooter and the injured almost sounds like bangers.
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    Too many crazy dirtbags running around everywhere for one to travel anywhere without the sidearm.
    I would hate to feel helpless in such a scenario, or at least caught in between these young thugs with no defensive weapon.

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    Not that I needed it, but this reaffirms my decision to get a CC permit.

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    They should put up a sign that says "no killing allowed" I'm sure that should help in the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    They should put up a sign that says "no killing allowed" I'm sure that should help in the future!
    Carrying (with permit) in a mall in WA is fine. It is even legal for one to open carry if they were so inclined (no permit required!).

    Washington State law only prohibits concealed carry in K-12 schools, courthouses, jails, large sporting events, and places the State Liquor Board puts off limits to persons under 21 (along with the normal federal ones).

    Business and malls can ask you to leave, but it is not against the law to be in possession of a concealed pistol and permit (if they ask you to leave, it can become trespassing)
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    Sorry that was really mean of me. I do feel bad for those that were hurt and i hope that the criminals are introduced to the criminal justice system.
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    I finished my Christmass shopping today. I spent all day at various malls and outlets. I was armed the whole time because a bad deal can go down anytime, anywhere, as proven by this story. Mall ninjas and security cameras do not keep me safe. I am responsible for my safety. I have more at stake than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    Washington State law only prohibits concealed carry in K-12 schools, courthouses, jails, large sporting events, and places the State Liquor Board puts off limits to persons under 21 (along with the normal federal ones).
    Can you point me to the Washington law for that, I can't find "large sporting events" in RCW 9.41.300. (RCW 9.41.300: Weapons prohibited in certain places ? Local laws and ordinances ? Exceptions ? Penalty.)

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    I have got to start carrying ON ME, rather than just in my vehicle !!!
    I have become incredible lazy and complacent in not keeping it on my side at all times !!!!! 90% of my time away from home, I'm either in my office or on the road. I generally keep the gun right by my side in the vehicle. But I have got to start keeping it on me at all times in all locations legal to have it.

    Back to the point of this thread... this gang violence is not going to stop. It's only to become worse. I don't know why our politicians just can't get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Can you point me to the Washington law for that, I can't find "large sporting events" in RCW 9.41.300. (RCW 9.41.300: Weapons prohibited in certain places ? Local laws and ordinances ? Exceptions ? Penalty.)
    Here is what i was thinking of. City's are authorized by State law to restrict firearms in municipal Stadiums and Convention centers. But, after reading it more carefully, it looks like if you have your concealed pistol license, the section does not apply to you. (RCW 9.41.070 is the concealed pistol permit)

    thanks for the clarification


    RCW 9.41.300
    Weapons prohibited in certain places

    (2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070
    or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or

    (ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

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    Tukwila Mall Shooting

    This is a story from another forum I'm a member of and thought it would be an interesting read here.

    Tukwila Mall Shooting - AzBilliards Forums


    Scary day today for me. I was in the Tukwila Mall when the shots rang out. People running, screaming, and crying. I was in the Hallmark card trying to find the perfect card to tell my daughter how much she means to me. No special occasion just that I love her.

    Here movie was to start at 4:05 pm and I suggested they arrive 30 min early to get great seats. Thank god they listened because they were last in the area where the shots rang out but 5-10 min earlier.

    I think I was around 10-15 stores down from the shooting. All I could think about was the Tacoma mall shooting where the person was specifically shooting at random targets. There was no where to go in the Hallmark store. I though holy hell no where to go! Then around 20-30 people both in the store and running from the mall went running back into the back of the store.

    I started to go back to the store then seen an old lady who was fallen backwards against the card holder clutching her chest wailing "Oh lord, oh lord over and over again". I immediately grabed her by the arm and pulled her off of the card holder and ushered her to the back of store to safety.

    Then it hit me like a ton of bricks! My daughter and her friend were in the mall. I ran to the front of the store thinking I'd be able to make it to them. But where were they? It didn't matter since the front cage was down and locked. I pulled my cell out and flipped it open revealing the time. There was a possibillity that they were in the movie like I suggested. It was around 3:45 pm. I called and my daughter answered "Hello". That hello was the sweetest sounding hello I have ever heard in my entire life. I asked if both were alright, "Yea, we are watching previews to the movie because we got here early." I said O.K. I love you and hung up.

    I never mentioned the shooting figuring they have the mall all locked down and trying to minimize any impact from such a situation. My only thought how to make it to the Theater. Only problem is that I am still locked into the Hallmark store. 5 min goes by and a lady shows up at the front of the store shaking and crying asking if her children are in the store. What are there names a guy asked and he then went to get them. An eight year old girl came out from the back crying hysterically "I want to get out of here! Mommy, I want to get out of here! Mommy!" They are holding each others hands through the steel cage.

    That was breaking my heart. I thought I need to get to my daughter and her friend. Then a lady came to the front of the store to let the daughter out and when she did I bolted out of there. I went searching for the nearest steps to the third floor theater. I didn't get too far when two Tukwila Police Officers told me to turn around and exit the mall. I said Bull S#&t my daughters in the theater and I'm not leaving till I get to her. They then reassured me that the Theater was locked down and noone could get to them. I asked if they were for sure that they were safe to which they said yes.

    I walked to the middle of the mall where a lady had passed out from the shock of the event. Some teenagers started to scream and run into an ice cream store. I'm thinking "What now?" I didn't see any gunmen, but they way they reacted made me believe that one or two would come tearing around the corner, very soon. I thought "Why didn't you stay in the store where you were safe?" Then I noticed the lady passed out and think they thought she had gotten shot and were freaking out.

    My phone rang it was my daughter,"Dad I just heard about the shooting...are you alright?" In a crakled up voice (holding back the tears) I said "Yes, sweetie I am fine" I made sure they were still on lock down and she said yes. I said that the security and police were trying to evacuate the mall and that I'd be waiting until they escorted them out of the theater.

    I then made my way up the the Theaters outside entrance and walked up the parking lot entrance to see if I could see anything. I then tried to open the door and guess what...it was unlocked. I walked right on in. Errie feeling walking in a mall with no activity. I peeked over the balcony to the food court below on the 2nd floor and didn't see anything. Then I glanced to the first floor where I saw a mop bucket.

    I then seen the front doors of the Theater and walked toward them. There were alot of people inside the doors looking at me walking up towards the door. Then a guy walks up to the door and walks out, so I grab the door before it closes and walk right in. Some cinema worker asks if I have a ticket??? I thought twighlight zone. "Look lady I looking for my daughter and her friend!" She finally told me #2.

    I walked in and phone my daughter. "Where are you?" Her-"In the theater watching the movie" Me-"I know, I'm at the entrance, where are you sitting?" Then I seen her hand waving back and forth "Over here!" Next came the biggest hug and smooch EVER! "I love you sweetie!"

    20 min later the lights came on and they evacuated the Theater. We walked out and now they had 20-30 police and swat members up there. Funny how 20 min earlier I walked in un-noticed through an unlocked door from the parking garage. And to think I really thought my daughter was safe being "locked down" in the Theater. But will never have to regret not trying to get to her to ensure that she and her friend were safe.

    Truly blessed,

    Jay P and family

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    It looks that it was a "Shooting in a mall" rather than a "Mall shooting"; probably between gang members.

    Update:

    TUKWILA, Wash. A young gunman remained at large early Sunday following a shooting at a busy shopping mall that killed one teenager and seriously wounded another.

    At least four or five people were detained and questioned after the shooting Saturday afternoon at Southcenter Mall in this Seattle suburb, police Officer Mike Murphy said.

    Murphy said the shooting stemmed from a fight between two groups of people and may have been gang related. He said police expected to identify the gunman and make an arrest soon.

    The assailant and the two victims were all in their late teens or early 20s, authorities said.
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    The second rule: "Bring enough gun"

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