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    I'm getting bored.

    I used to really enjoy this part of the forum.

    Lots of situations that you could possibly find yourself in, then thinking your way out of it, constructive criticism, and options you didn't think of.

    Lately I have been feeling "Seen it", "Repeat", and so on.

    I am one that spends a great deal of time thinking WCS in just about everything I do.

    Could it be that in the last year I've pondered every conceivable SHTF? Or have I taken one too many hits to the head and lost my imagination?

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    I would say that most of us think about scenarios...all the time.

    The problem with these potential scenarios is that most of them would require the individual to 'be there' because of the implications for a true self-defense situation that has the CCW holder deciding to dispose of a legal threat.

    It's hard to say, "End the threat.", "Call 911!", "Run!"..., unless the individual were in the situation to make that 1-2 second analysis. It's easy to give advice, being in the situation is another thing.

    With the various experience levels, ages, state laws, etc., we can't even agree how to analyze a video of a crime, yet alone actually being personally caught in the situation.

    Well, that's my $.02...
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    Pretty much all forums are the same way. Stay there a year or two and the questions just repeat themselves over and over, the only difference is the people asking then.
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    A given person's lifestyle is what it is, in that there are only so many scenarios that reasonably present themselves in the course of the day, even across years of them. Part of the boredom comes from being in a "rut," in a sense, in that we exhaust the basics pretty quickly in our daily lives.

    Some of the situations and circumstances that I have considered are listed below. At any given venue, you can vary the circumstances a bit and change the reality quite a lot.

    • One attacker vs multiple.
    • Attacker is jacked up on drugs, thus inured to pain.
    • Attacker has no visible weapon, other than aggression/words.
    • Attacker has stick, knife, gun, whatever.
    • Attacked while having many items in hands/arms (ie, shopping).
    • Bystanders -- none, one, many.
    • Co-defenders are with you -- none, one, many.
    • Co-defenders are capable/trained/armed -- none, one, many.
    • Co-defenders are children, spouse, friends, strangers.
    • Co-defenders are anti-firearms and/or anti-defense.
    • Attacker appears drunk.
    • Attacker appears to believe this is his home.
    • Attacker appears to think you are someone else.
    • Purpose of attack appears to be burglary.
    • Purpose of attack appears to be mere intimidation.
    • Purpose of attack appears to be robbery/assault.
    • Purpose of attack appears to be murder.
    • Attack of a third party stranger, within screaming distance.
    • Attack of a third party stranger, in front of you.
    • Attack of multiple strangers (ie, at church, school, park, mall).
    • Holding an attacker until police arrive.
    • Holding an attacker until police arrive, but felon resists.
    • Attacker is injured, injured badly, has life-threatening injury.
    • Carjacking attempt against you, driver's side, you're driving.
    • Carjacking attempt against you, driver's side, you're not driving.
    • Carjacking attempt while stopped in traffic.
    • Carjacking attempt as approaching car in parking lot.
    • Your car is being tailed aggressively, at noon.
    • Your car is being tailed aggressively, at 1am.
    • Seated in a restaurant, with your back to door.
    • Seated in a restaurant, seated near the rear exit.
    • Seated in a restaurant, with your family.
    • At a camping spot in the mountains, away from others.
    • At a camping spot in the mountains, a National Park.
    • Someone at door, unannounced.
    • Someone at door, appears to have uniform.
    • Someone at door, claims to be law enforcement or other official.
    • Someone outside, rooting around.
    • Someone outside, nighttime, rooting around.
    • Someone at neighbor's home, entering/exiting or rooting around.
    • Someone at neighbor's home, nighttime, entering/exiting or rooting around.
    • Calls for help: family member; child; neighbor; stranger.
    • Heading into a restricted zone (nat'l park, airport, ...).
    • Heading into a supposed low-risk area (school, doctor, church).
    • Forcibly stopping a crime, using words.
    • Forcibly stopping a crime, using force.
    • Forcibly stopping a crime, using lethal force.
    • Forcibly stopping a crime in a neighboring state where you're legally allowed to carry but perhaps not as up-to-date on all the use-of-force laws in that state.
    • A third party has apparently stopped a crime, identifying himself/herself as CHL, or undercover police, or a good sam.
    • Above scenarios, but you realize you're unarmed beyond your good intentions.
    • You're injured, but not severely.
    • You're injured, "gun" hand damaged.
    • You're injured, severely.
    • Cover cannot be found.
    • Cover is sparse.
    • Cover is everywhere.
    • Help is nearby and likely to instantly respond.
    • Help is a long way away.
    • Help is via telephone only.
    • You currently have legal representation lined up, to help guard against the aftermath of a bad situation.
    • You currently do not have legal representation arranged, to help guard against the aftermath of a bad situation.
    • ... and so on
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    ccw... you forgot zombie attacks
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    and...

    I got stopped by an LEO today....

    BTW, thats a pretty good list. Do you keep that somewhere or did you just make it up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    and...

    I got stopped by an LEO today....

    BTW, thats a pretty good list. Do you keep that somewhere or did you just make it up?
    I don't know if it's good or not, but yes, I keep it and maintain it. Over the past ~10yrs or so, whenever I've come across some new situations or heard of circumstances that I'd have a tougher time navigating, I would write them down. There is a bit of overlap, but it covers most of the basic scenarios I've seen or thought of across 15yrs of paying attention. I'd love to see such a list produced by Ayoob, Cooper, Cirillo and others. I'm sure those would be lists, indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    ccw... you forgot zombie attacks
    I figure it easily falls into the "multiple attackers" category. Plus we've got the perfect example on how to handle such riot situations: Little Korea Rooftop Response (from the post-"Rodney King" riots in Los Angeles, some years back). Now, where's a good .308 "brush" gun when you need one ...
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    Could it be that in the last year I've pondered every conceivable SHTF? Or have I taken one too many hits to the head and lost my imagination?

    Okay, how about this one? Let's say you're bicycling along an unpopulated area and Mr. & Mrs. Bigfoot pop out of the woods, grab you off the bike, Mr Bigfoot suddenly has you in a full-nelson, and Mrs Bigfoot has you by your feet.............what next?

    Seriously, in a way I think you're correct. For instance let's say there are about 200 general scenarios, and each of them have pretty much unlimited variations. We've probably seen/read the basic 200 so much of the scenarios are sort of refurbished re-runs.

    If I submit a scenario it's usually not something that I completely think up on my own. It's usually something or someplace that I found myself in and it made me think about a what-if variation to my observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    Mr Bigfoot suddenly has you in a full-nelson, and Mrs Bigfoot has you by your feet.............what next?
    When you got 'em by the short ones, their hearts and minds will follow. 'Nuff said.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    I'm getting bored.
    Start something new. Post up some of your mods, your favorite options, etc.... Tips and tricks, some pics of your range.
    I can't go to work today. The voices told me to stay home and clean the guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    Okay, how about this one? Let's say you're bicycling along an unpopulated area and Mr. & Mrs. Bigfoot pop out of the woods, grab you off the bike, Mr Bigfoot suddenly has you in a full-nelson, and Mrs Bigfoot has you by your feet.............what next?

    Seriously, in a way I think you're correct. For instance let's say there are about 200 general scenarios, and each of them have pretty much unlimited variations. We've probably seen/read the basic 200 so much of the scenarios are sort of refurbished re-runs.

    If I submit a scenario it's usually not something that I completely think up on my own. It's usually something or someplace that I found myself in and it made me think about a what-if variation to my observation.
    In this scenario you deserve what you get. You practiced poor SA to let yourself get taken by the 2 of them. Plus if you had been carrying your 50cal MG with a full ammo belt they never would have messed with you, they would have waited for someone who wasn't armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    You practiced poor SA to let yourself get taken by the 2 of them. Plus if you had been carrying your 50cal MG with a full ammo belt ...
    But would they (Mr. & Mrs. Bigfoot) have realized that it was .50cal? I mean, really ... hidden down the pants leg that it was? Open or concealed?? Yaaaaagghghgh!
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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    Had to be open carry, to hard to pedal a bike with a 50 cal down your pant leg!
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    I didn't see anything about being in the woods and coming face to face with Bigfoot
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppkheat View Post
    ...Seriously, in a way I think you're correct. For instance let's say there are about 200 general scenarios, and each of them have pretty much unlimited variations. We've probably seen/read the basic 200 so much of the scenarios are sort of refurbished re-runs...
    I think you hit the nail on the head.
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