Mumbai in US?? (Merged)

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    Some whine about their perceived rights being violated but they never come up with a single edble example.
    Twice a year, the DOJ itself releases The "Report to Congress on Implementation of Section 1001 of the USA PATRIOT Act", outlining documented civil rights complaints under the Patriot act. Since 2001, that report has never been empty, so I'm not sure why you think there are no examples. That's only the patriot act, and doesn't include other actions like the Warrentless Wiretap issues and extension of Patriot act powers for non-terror related activities (such as drug dealing). There's also the OIG's Audit of the FBI's abuses of National Security letters released just last year documenting, by the OIG's count, over 1000 cases of abuse of Patriot Act powers. This report is called "Review of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Use of National Security Letters"...

    Those who don't see specifics, simply are not looking for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiWeiSz View Post
    I hope that if I see some whacko shooting a gun, I will have the presence of mind, courage, gumption, etc - to cap the quack.

    I mean in a public place :)
    I hope that is limited to whackos that aren't just target shooting on a public range!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPR View Post
    Twice a year, the DOJ itself releases The "Report to Congress on Implementation of Section 1001 of the USA PATRIOT Act", outlining documented civil rights complaints under the Patriot act.
    Complaints are not violations. People constantly complain about this or that civil right being violated. Many times the complainants do not have a grasp of either the law or the extent of their rights. Most of the time the complaints are completely unfounded and without merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Complaints are not violations. People constantly complain about this or that civil right being violated. Many times the complainants do not have a grasp of either the law or the extent of their rights. Most of the time the complaints are completely unfounded and without merit.
    But some of the time the complaints are well founded.

    http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0803b/final.pdf

    This is report by the OIG on the FBI and national security letters. Part of this is a review of how the FBI is complying with previous instructions regarding their documented misuse of NSLs.
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    While heavily armed and possibly trained, this force of cowardly terrorists attacking soft targets does not constitute a military force. The pictures show people in street clothes, not body armor and helmets. They could be assaulted and confronted by anyone with a little luck and some gumption. That lack of gumption is what the reporter was bemoaning.

    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    My point is that this type of terrorism is best stopped in it's embyonic stage before it occurs, and that would best be accomplished by intelligence agencies monitoring the BGs and executed by military units. By the time it gets to BGs machine gunning your grannie and blowing up your local police station, it is too late.
    I agree with you that interdiction of this type of activity is the best course of all the possible outcomes. It is our ability to monitor message traffic that I believe helps us to prevent just these things. This situation was a too late scenario, the response was unacceptable to those who were watching.

    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    If a similar thing happened in my area I would much prefer the local LEOs to give way to a force of Marines and end the affair as quickly as possible.
    I know my local LEOs would give way to the Marines. I just don't want to wait days for them to arrive, which is what it would take. Here was a post on this forum a few days ago about a local news agency reporting that inaction in an active shooter incident is going to mean more dead innocents. That is what the reporter was complaining about. Our LEO community is getting the picture that cordoning off the area and waiting for more firepower means more lost lives. After this I believe the Indian LEO communitiy will know the same.
    But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollin thunder View Post
    I think that they're having a problem getting into the states, so they're looking for Americans and Brits elsewhere.
    As far as them hitting in the U.S. it's just a matter of time. I think many small attacks across the country but, at the same venues ie. gas stations, malls, restaurants.
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    My .02 cents, they're already here and just waiting for the go orders. This would most likely be the major cities, with a focus on those were gun control laws are the strictest and/or would have the most psychological and damaging effect. All we need now is a major event to draw lots of people out into the open....any guesses. I'm changing up my carry a little bit now; my beloved 1911 has a backup SA XDm 9mm with a 19+1 capacity. My combat ears tell me something is in the wind, if it's wrong then I rather be labeled paranoid than become a statistic in some jihadist’s path to heaven and his share of virgins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    "The simple fact is that there's not enough police in any city in the world to deal with a multi-point attack like this. Which means if the bad guys get through the screen and into the country, they're half-way there to a successful attack. And considering the lack of enthusiasm by a lot of amnesty-minded socialists in DC, getting into this country isn't going to be all that difficult. Especially with the drug gangs in Mexico quite happy to help anyone in, with whatever equipment they have, for the right price. And a lot of Mexican officials happy to look the other way so long as the terrorists only attack us lousy Americans."

    I'm afraid I must agree.

    Stay armed...everywhere you can...plan ahead...stay safe!

    The conflict between Pakastan and India over Kashmir is a relatively new conflict that can be directly atributed to England's inability to resolve their ethnic borders before leaving their colony. That is the simple, honest truth! What is scary to me is that both countries have nukes and are more than willing to use them. Why we allowed these countries to become nuclear while we balk at Iran or N. Korea even having nuclear power is beyond me.

    Nothing to be afraid of, America has no place inbetween Pakastan and India that would place us in peril of attack like this. Terrorism in general doesn't really scare me, for I know terrorists are cowards and want the biggst "bang" for thier buck so Vermont shouldn't be too high on their list of naughty infedels

    BTW: I'm joining with homeland security this Dec 8th when I go off to training, so I hope you feel a little safer knowing that I'll be on watch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duisburg View Post


    BTW: I'm joining with homeland security this Dec 8th when I go off to training, so I hope you feel a little safer knowing that I'll be on watch.




    Congrats! Stay safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duisburg View Post
    What is scary to me is that both countries have nukes and are more than willing to use them.
    Exactly why would that be your opinion? What evidence do you have that they 'would be more than willing to use them'?

    Why we allowed these countries to become nuclear while we balk at Iran or N. Korea even having nuclear power is beyond me.
    While we try to impose our will that nuclear proliferation is contained, it is inevitable that nuclear technology will find its way to rogue nations. That is no reason to discontinue attempts to stop evil regimes like Iran making muclear weapons.

    Too late for North Korea. Clinton's inaction and appeasement policies allowed North Korea to complete their weapons. Let's just hope that Obama will not be as foolhardy in his foreign policy. Although I sincerely doubt it. It is very likely that Obama will cause a nuclear conflict in the Middle East.

    Terrorism in general doesn't really scare me, for I know terrorists are cowards and want the biggst "bang" for thier buck so Vermont shouldn't be too high on their list of naughty infedels
    That is the same mindset antis use to believe they are safe.

    BTW: I'm joining with homeland security this Dec 8th when I go off to training, so I hope you feel a little safer knowing that I'll be on watch.
    Well done. Good luck. I hope you are able to make a difference.

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    Hello All,

    I too believe as many have stated previously that an attack is very

    likely to occur here on US soil. I also believe that a Mumbai style

    mission is highly possible. What I really find hard to believe is

    that any CCW legal individual with the typical vigilant mindset that

    usually precludes obtaining a CCW permit could not envision a more

    positive outcome from confronting EVIL. At the risk of sounding

    too paranoid, My wife ( also CCW holder) and I make it a point to

    always be aware of our surroundings and as a matter of SOP sit

    facing both doors of restuarants when dining out. When in any public

    place we try too remain vigilant. Even insurmontable odds can be

    turned in one's favor with quick, decisive action. Inaction , IMHO

    should never be an option when confronting EVIL nomatter

    what the chances of success are.


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    I always thought after 9/11 that a sequenced or coordinated attack on several of our large Postal branches would reek big time havoc. At any given time there are billions of dollars of paper in the mail system. If an attack took place, I'd bet the US postal system would shut down for weeks... and all that money would come to a standstill.

    Businesses whose receivables were hung up would be in a world of hurt, as there cash flow would be impeded. Such an attack during the current economic situation would be even more catastrophic.

    The good news is a percentage of the public doesn't mail checks anymore, but I'd guess more than 50% still do.

    I hope it doesn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiWeiSz View Post
    I hope that if I see some whacko shooting a gun, I will have the presence of mind, courage, gumption, etc - to cap the quack.

    I mean in a public place :)
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    Okay, I've been quoted twice - just for the record...

    I do NOT mean a legal shooting range, target practice, or other places for "normal" weapons to be hot.

    I do mean, places like a shopping mall, restuarant, or other "civilian" area where guns should not be displayed or used on others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripley16 View Post
    If a similar thing happened in my area I would much prefer the local LEOs to give way to a force of Marines and end the affair as quickly as possible.
    I noticed you live in the Quantico area, so they just have to run up the street!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabraha View Post
    I noticed you live in the Quantico area, so they just have to run up the street!
    The Airborne would do in a pinch, say, if the Girl Scouts were busy.

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