December 15th, 2008 03:51 PM
Yep, this is where folk have to be able to think and do situational analysis on their own and on the fly, toward always an ultimate and immediate primary goal of scratchless unbruised survival.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
Sometimes staying out doesn't work and such a case would be a home invasion where it's known or even suspected that a breach of the homes perimeter has _already_ occurred. The other scenarios I spoke to in other threads are those where the issues are 1) known to be existant, 2) confirmed to be amongst the exterior surroundings, and 3) it's known that the home is secure and has not been breached. This specific scenario is not such a case.
I would leave the bedroom and take my wife out of the house itself _prior_ to even thinking of attempting to clear the house.
Thus I would not know with surety that the other bedrooms are not inhabited by an uninvited person or persons plural.
As to existing yes that definitely depends on the layout of ones own home, which most likely you will know far better than a burglar.
And to that the location of the vehicle(s) that I might attempt to flee to.
If no vehicle(s) are available then you adapt and overcome with a new plan of safety. Same for if there are accomplices remaining outside. You work with that and assume it too.
As to being in your backyard you're never "trapped". At the point go to ground and flee to a neighbors home if near by. If not and they are yards or miles away then well again you adapt and overcome, with an emphasis on scratch & bruise minimization.
As to the house and it's contents, knick knacks insured and relatively easy to repair or replace.
Far easier than that of your wife or own self.
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December 15th, 2008 04:08 PM
You did fine , as you said ,there is a difference
between knowing someone is in your home
and just checking out a noise.
Been there , done that
PS .my noise was a new ice maker
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December 15th, 2008 04:43 PM
I believe the O.P. did what his conscious dictated.
I have read the 'Should I or Shouldn't I' question a bunch of times.
My thoughts; Prudent or not, most of us fellers what have the Sheepdog tendencies are gonna go check out the noise. That's the way it is. It may not be wise to do it, but alot of that depends on your experience level, training, mindset, and circumstances.
I was a firefighter for awhile and it does take a different breed to run INTO a fire when prudence demands the opposite action. Duty, necessity and training overides this. Same as 'running to the sound of the guns'.
I would venture that if most of us KNEW someone was in our house, we would not go looking to engage them unless (as has been mentioned) we have other loved ones that require us to put at risk our own safety to offer hope of it to someone else.
My experience has been been if I 'think' there is no one in the house, (dogs haven't gone apes***, etc) but I am not going to be able to sleep until I KNOW it for sure, (to say nothing of my wife's, therefore my own piece of mind) I am going to check things out and make sure things are still secure. Maybe not the best idea. Can't help it.
I am no Superman, but I ain't your average bear either.
You just got to evaluate the situation and your cirumstances and react from there. No two scenarios are the same. It's what makes life interesting.
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December 15th, 2008 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by Yoda
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December 15th, 2008 07:48 PM
I have some relatives who firmly believe in them, though I do not at all think they are real. Am quite certain they are not.
Originally Posted by miklcolt45
Sometimes, it makes for some interesting discussion when "things that go bump" are attributed to ghosts.
December 15th, 2008 08:19 PM
We layed in bed and we both heard clear definite steps coming down the wood floor hallway .... I had gun in hand ready.... and then "nothing", and found no-one. It happened several times and my wife (now an Ex) decided it was a ghost.
Whatever you do, don't do what the one guy did.... he heard something, went to check (wife still asleep) and she claims... she heard an intruder and thought her husband was still in bed, so when the guy entered the room... she shot the intruder (her husband).
December 15th, 2008 10:51 PM
Right after you wake up, if you were dreaming, your brain is in a state halfway between awake and asleep. Things that are only your imagination may seem completely real...
This is normal. I suspect it is the cause of a lot of 'ghost' reports (along with carbon monoxide).
Anyway, I would say you should not be shooting at anything until you have been awake a good 10 seconds or so. Before then, you cannot really be sure if what you are seeing is real or a dream...
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December 16th, 2008 02:33 AM
I think you did a good job Yoda. I've had a similar experience or two in my 20 years being married.
You just have to check it out and then try to calm down enough to get some sleep. And that isn't easy sometimes.
December 16th, 2008 09:11 AM
December 16th, 2008 10:09 AM
Sounds like you did fine. Can't imagine how much different I might handle it...except if I was stalking around stark naked with a gun, a few, "C'mere boy!" and "Squeal like a pig" in a deep gruff voice might make someone reconsider their current activities...just let them consider it a preview of what they might hear in prison
December 16th, 2008 11:10 AM
I'm thinking that if his wife had seen someone then they were a little to close to be getting dressed. As an aside, you could just go whole hog and start sleeping in your BDUs, LBE, and with your rifle strapped across your chest hahahaha. Oh those were the days.
December 16th, 2008 09:07 PM
Same thing happened to me once,cleared every room in the house including the closets,no one there,come to find out wife must have been dreaming.sj
December 16th, 2008 09:18 PM
hope you don't have ghosts......
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December 17th, 2008 09:27 AM
Not a criticism, but the one thing that stood out for me was the "empty nester" comment.
Originally Posted by Yoda
I of course don't know your situation at all, but I'd be willing to bet that you might have given one of your adult kids a key to your house?
And if it had been one of your kids coming in at the middle of the night for some reason (daughter beaten by husband or son in some kind of serious trouble... sorry, not inferring anything, just coming up with reasons for a late night visitation by one of the kids), the dog may have barked just like you described and then stopped because he (the dog) knew the person.
So you getting up "ready" for action and then seeing a movement in the hallway without being prepared for it to NOT be a threat could easily end up in a bad situation for your family.
I'm just suggesting that even when under stress in a situation like this, you have to keep cool and "act" while avoiding just "reacting".
December 17th, 2008 09:28 AM
Well, that explains the "ghost" after all.
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