It was just the wind right??

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    It was just the wind right??

    felt a need to ask here and see if i did the right thing tonight.

    So here is the set up... its about 10pm the wife is down stairs reading a book, with both dogs with her. Im upstairs working on her PC... that doesn't seem to want to play nice. when i hear my screen door open with a bit of a bang.. now it is wind here tonight but as i listen it kinda sounds like the door was open fast and pressure was place on the main door to our home. at this point both dogs are going off loud and before i can even clear my seat, my aussie is up the stairs in the door way barking at me with a look of its go time. I just make it clear of the doorway to the computer room before she is at the foot of the stairs barking at the door.

    As i reach the first landing of the stairs i have the USP clear, safty off and hammer back and only at that point does my aussie stop barking and moves to 1/2 way between my wife and the door giving me clear room to the front door.

    now no one in the house is moving or making a sound, all of us are listining and nothing....?? i walk the rest of the stair on stealth mode reaching the front door and switch on the front light outside... still not a sound... now all my red flags are up...

    at this point i can see thru the blinds that doesn't appear anyone is at the front door but it doesnt' feel right so i ask as nice as i can (aka tell the wife) for my wife to go upstairs. the best part was her asking me in a low voice was where her gun was in the case we have.

    i wait still no more sounds... when i look up the stair way she is at the top with her .40 in hand giving me cover. i let her know im going to open the door and look around...i know i shouldn't do that but i did at first leave the chain on the door. with the door cracked open i see are screen door is open and no one in line of site.

    I reclose the door and remove the chain and look outside ... not a soul to be seen. so i back up into the house relock the door and wait a few before i let her come down the stairs.

    now im kinda unsure if it was just the wind or was someone checking house for an early xmas discount?? my wife said it sounded like someone opened the screen door and tried to open the main door. i do live in a nice area but some of my people around me aren't the best class of peopel (the townhome we share the front with i belive the young lady likes to walk the street....) and behind us we have a once a week episode of cops due to the fighting....

    and please don't hold back if i did something wrong let me know..

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    Maybe have her call 911 as well... if you must shoot, it implies feeling threatened so a call to 911 shows worry, and gets you some backup as well. Welcome neighbor!!!!

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    I have my SR9 on me as I am sitting here on the couch and my shotgun within my wingspan. Yeah, there have been a couple times I have clicked the safety off. At the same time, I did not remove my computer from my lap, get up or put down my beer.

    Dare I say, it seems like a bit more reaction than was necessary, not "over-reaction," but I would be a skinny guy with multiple stomach ulcers and high blood pressure if that was my reaction every time I heard a noise and my dogs barked. In the case of an actual emergency, you and your wife's reactions seem to be pretty good (besides the "wheres my gun" moment) and would have kept you as safe as possible, without going outside.

    I'm not going to lie to you, I would go outside after too if I was really convinced that there was someone there.

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    I agree, have wife call 911, keep 911 on hold.

    Odds are it was the wind, or it was a one time attempt. But what sucks, is this could be the first attempt at checking your reaction.

    Tough call. Happy I'm not you, as my mind would be buzzing.

    PS: In my part of town (nice place where today all the neighbors dug the street out of several inches of snow together (and someone brought hot coco, etc.) locks are as important as lights. Hope you have sensor lights up and / or a poarch light on.

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    I was with you until you opened the door......no need to do that.
    I would have turned off the lights to 'wait and watch'...two guns pointed at the entrance would make for a great welcoming committee.

    I wouldn't have called 911 until I heard further noise or movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I was with you until you opened the door......no need to do that.
    I would have turned off the lights to 'wait and watch'...two guns pointed at the entrance would make for a great welcoming committee.

    I wouldn't have called 911 until I heard further noise or movement.

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    I don't want to call 911 for nothing, they are spread out thin and the response can take 20 minutes.
    When I built my house, I laid it out so I can see all the exterior from inside.
    Don't be in a big hurry to go out, unless there is a compelling reason to do so.
    Put yourself in the BG shoes; he knows he has been detected, there is no sign of panic; the inside goes dark, the outside lights are bright, very scary !!! Find another house !!!

    Note: My motion detection outdoor lights are set to the shortest delay (1 minute) so I can get an idea of anybody moving around; yeah there is also permanent low lighting thanks to LED - 30 bulbs draw 2 watts.
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    I wouldn't have opened the door until I was sure no one was around, and then only long enough to secure the screen door. I wouldn't call 911 yet either. Why waste city/county resources if not needed.
    One of your best resources is your aussie. There is a big difference in their alert bark/posture and their guard posture. Both of the aussies I owned in the past let you know if something/someone was in their territory. Their barking ceased and all you would hear was a deep in the chest rumbling growl. Their looks can be deceiving. Beautiful and sweet dispositions, but highly protective of what is theirs and fearless when protecting it.
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    You lose your advantage as soon as you step out side. Turn off inside lights, turn on out side lights hunker down watching and listening.
    I get coons and bears on my porch/deck trying to rummage the metal trash cans, that can be a loud noise in the middle of the night. I know the feeling, motion lights are a big help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    One of your best resources is your aussie. There is a big difference in their alert bark/posture and their guard posture. Both of the aussies I owned in the past let you know if something/someone was in their territory. Their barking ceased and all you would hear was a deep in the chest rumbling growl. Their looks can be deceiving. Beautiful and sweet dispositions, but highly protective of what is theirs and fearless when protecting it.
    I have to agree with you on that one... only a few times in the last 3 years of having my aussie have i heard that sound come from her. that night was one of them.

    i do agree that stepping out side left me open to a something possible bad. but i guess thats that whole youth vs exp. deal. but what doesn't kill you only makes you better.

    thanks for the advice on this

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    Having a wife in LE, it is still best to call 911. They prioritize their calls and you need the evidence of reasonable fear. Trust me, one of the first questions is going to be, "so you walked around for 10 minutes and did not call 911?" Your are screwed if your answer is no amd used your weapon or other lethal force.

    The flip side, the LEO need the call numbers to justify increased manning. If you do not feel you should call 911, you probably do not even need to have your weapon out based on this scenario. Plus since you will not be going outside, someone is going to have to check around.

    Have wife call 911, and DO NOT go outside. Keep your advantage by taking up a defensive position within your home.

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    Talked to local Chief of Police in my jurisdiction, and he said emphatically "no doubt, call 911." If not for yourself, certainly for the elderly neighbor down the street that might be the next target! Remember also, if you must discharge your firearm, it helps to show you had reasonable fear and did everything you could to avoid firing.

    It may be worth noting that there have been an increase in home invasions within the Hampton Roads area recently. I live about 40 minutes from OP home.

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    It sounds like "dawg's" reaction tells the whole story. Not the wind.

    I've no idea how they know, but they know.

    Dogs use lots of nuanced sounds to communicate and they use body language and well established doggy behaviors. When that dog came to get you, it wasn't for nothing.

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    I would not have the safety off and the hammer back, with family around and high stress levels too much chance for an AD.
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    If you are going to open the door, let the hounds loose.

    (Actually, I take that back. Too much liability if they munch on the neighbor kid.)

    Just wait safely inside.

    (I've really learned the lesson from this DC board, to stay inside. It absolutely goes against my instinct, but it is the right move and the safest move.)

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    Stay inside in a secure position. Going outside switches the advantage to the BG, not to mention they may not be outside; they may still be in your house!

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