Crack heads/panhandler's in parking lots.

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    Crack heads/panhandler's in parking lots.

    we have all seen them, crackheads, pan handlers etc....some of them get pretty in your face about asking for money and what not. i have had a few follow me from my car the a store entrance and one time one of them put his hand on me tapping my shoulder because i wouldnt give him money....i told him to get the "bleep" away from me...the part that really makes me mad is most of these guys claim to be war hero's and veterans..me being a military guy and figuring that they are full of crap when saying that it really irritates me.

    at what point would you consider going on the defensive either pushing them out of your way or if they touch you after you tell them to go away could you show them that you have a weapon? or do you just play it cool and call the police? My dad lives in AZ and some of the drunk native americans would jump in the bed of his truck at a gas station and demand a ride....they are very quick to get out of the truck once my dad un holsters his Sig and they see it or at a minimum he shows them the weapon in the holster.

    please dont flame me, im new to this CCW world and im taking my class next month. im just curious because that is a situation we deal with in certain parts of town (walmart...lol). i especially dont want to put myself in a situation where i have done something wrong

    i know the CCW class will cover alot of situations like this but hearing personal experience is appreciated

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    I wouldn't show them your weapon unless you have a reason to shoot them. A gun is not an intimidation device. But for something like this you should probably think about carrying OC/Pepper spray. You can't shoot someone for getting in your face but you can soak their face if they get too threatening.

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    After my years of living in downtown Detroit, i've learned how to read these types pretty well...mostly in the vicinity of the casino's. I have yet to have anyone physically touch me, and i believe this is where i would draw the line. I did have one guy follow me about 1/2 way from the parking garage back to my apartment once, incisting he had to help me carry my groceries. Once he figured out i didn't need his help there, he moved on to begging for change.
    "Man, you just went shoppin', i know you got some change in your pocket for me." He quickly left me alone when i told him, "the only thing i have in my pocket for you is a large knife...and i'm going to be upset if i have to put down my groceries to get it."
    A majority of the time it's how you present yourself to these types. If you come off as a victim they'll relentlessly hassle you. If you maintain eye contact and use a firm voice and the proper wording, they'll generally move on to another target.
    In the event that one of them touches me, they'll be begging for a bottle of water to wash the pepper spray out of their eyes. They continue past that point and they'll get a good view of the Glock.
    As far as the people who jump into the bed of a truck...i wonder if they would do the same if you removed the tailgate. You could slide every one of them out on the first good turn at the right speed.

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    Even though soliciting is against the law in most states, I wouldnt pull a gun...

    I have had 2 people ask me on the same night in a walmart parking lot...

    1 lady had about $200 bucks worth of walmart groceries and stuff in like 2 carts and she sat outside asking people for money for a taxi... Its like, return 2 items to take a cab...

    Another one walked up to me and asked..

    The police do get annoyed with solicitation calls, but thats the best thing to do..

    Now, if they get physical, then do what you need to do that is within reason.

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    I wouldn't show my carry in the situation. If tapped on the shoulder though, or grasped......I might just turn around and break a finger or two. That's about it. Generally, folks intent on getting within arms reach of me are already at risk one way or another and my personal space encompasses 360 degrees.

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    pepper spray...good call. im going to run out of room in my pockets..lol (benchmade, pepper spray and the pistol on my side)

    there has only been that one instance where they have touched me...and the whole situation started off with him saying "hey white boy"....

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    I carry a full size wallet in one pocket and a MK3 can of OC spray and a large set of keys in the other. Unless I am wearing pants that are a size or two too small I don't notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaidedeye View Post
    and the whole situation started off with him saying "hey white boy"....
    That's enough to get a mouth full of pepper foam right there. Don't reach for da homie if you don't wanna pull back a stump...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob72 View Post
    That's enough to get a mouth full of pepper foam right there. Don't reach for da homie if you don't wanna pull back a stump...
    As soon as I catch my breath, I'll comment.

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    Jaidedeye, I've never had that problem here in Goldsboro but I'm sure it happens. Come on out to the Wal Mart in Rosewood - no problems and its a new store. :)
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    With the typical panhandler, I just beat them to the punch. When I see them headed my way, I always ask THEM for a buck. Never failed...they just turn away.
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    Well, there comes a point in time for everyone I reckon. I suddenly feel the need to start checking into the options of less than lethal alternatives like spray. If you spray someone in the event of a seemingly non lethal threat (instead of breaking the personal invader's fingers).....would it still be considered assault? I mean when the officer takes a report of the incident (now listen......because you may not report it, but anyone that sees this happen and has a cell phone might like to see more excitement if you know what I mean, and call the police thinking your actions were not warranted), you could state in truth that you never touched the perp? I mean I figure the spray from a distance sort of removes one in a way from the personal/physical attack. I stated that I might break a finger on anyone who tried to hold on to me or violated my space and such, but I don't figure that the general (run of the mill onlooker) will see the initial violation of my person, and once I make my move, things will be more visible or audible to everyone within earshot and not totally ignorant. So i actually feel now that covering my butt would be better in this circumstance. Would pepper spray be a better alternative in this case? Or would I still be considered under suspicion of assault of a "crackhead or panhandler"? Once in a while we should think of the sheep, who may be present, and what the witnesses will portray to police for or against you. And I figure this all may play out differently according to race and prejudice......if you know what I mean. I know I get in things way to deep every now and then, but if someone could see what I'm thinking and elaborate on it, that would be cool in the utmost way.

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    I had one guy ... after telling him 'no' several times.... tell me that I WAS going to give him some money ... as surely I had some on me. Actually, I didn't... LOL, I was about to go by the bank.

    He got up in my face threatening me.....I was smaller than he was, so I think he thought intimidation would work. Then he began shoving me and it was "on". At one point he reached in his pocket, making me think he was going for a knife, and I grabbed him so he could not remove his hand and took him down. After he was flat on the ground, I advised him I used to be a football kicker and if he pulled his hand out of his pocket with anything in it... I was going to use his head as a football.... I called 911 and informed them I just made a citizen's arrest for an assault and battery.

    I was unarmed, as CC was illegal at the time. He went to jail. Since that and a few other instances..... they aren't stepping within 15-20 ft of me.... and get that point real quick.

    More recently, when I was armed, 2 guys walking along at a fast pace and approaching me..... late at night in the parking lot, and I gave them a look as they were closing distance quickly and put my hand back on my gun under my jacket (they could not see the gun, it was not displayed in any way). They didn't like that though and changed directions really quick.

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    In most cities, panhandling is allowed (protected by the freedom of speech). There are two categories of panhandling; passive (legal) and aggressive (illegal). Most cities have ordinances addressing how to legally panhandle and what constitutes aggressive panhandling.

    In general, aggressive panhandling is when someone asks for money repeatedly, follows someone while asking, blocks the path of movement of the person (you have to walk around the panhandler). And of course, threatening, cursing, physical and verbal abuse, etc.

    If you encounter an aggressive panhandler you should call police. He/she should be apprehended. Now, it might be also prudent under certain circumstances to use OC/pepper spray and then call police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaidedeye View Post
    at what point would you consider going on the defensive either pushing them out of your way or if they touch you after you tell them to go away could you show them that you have a weapon?
    Thats a very very bad idea. Never show your weapon for no reason. Only use your weapon to use deadly of force. BG can simple lie to LEO

    BG says, "Hey Officer he pointed a gun at me!"

    You says, " No I didnt pointed a gun at him"

    LEO says, " Well how did BG know you had a weapon on you?"

    LEO can easily put you under arrest for 1. expose your weapon, 2. brandish

    Concealed means Concealed.

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