This is a discussion on You can tell their gun won't fire within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by bigiceman I am reading a book right now that references pictures from concentration camps and the Warsaw ghetto where the German soldiers ...
If he is attempting to shoot me.... I would shoot him first! :)
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Neither of which is Marine Corps policy.
"It's all about shot placement."- David (Slayer of Goliath)
Ask yourself one question:
If that gun was in MY hand, just exactly how long would it take me to make it go "bang"?
(meaning that it's not QUITE as much of an advantage as you'd think it is. Personally, I'd consider it JUST enough to allow a fair chance of success in drawing and firing.)
1. Any and all guns are always loaded.
2. Any and all guns pointed in my direction are a threat to me.
I am NOT willing to bet my life on it.
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"That I cannot do."
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If I am 100% sure that the gun is unloaded or, even if I am 100% sure that it is not a real gun. The bad guy is still getting shot. Shouldn't bring either an unloaded gun or a toy gun to a gun fight.
Besides, how can you be 100% sure that the gun is unloaded or not real when the adrenaline is pouring into your system and your mind is racing?
As hot guns said:
as stated prior, weather or not is is loaded ,its pointed at me in a threatening mannor to take my life, i dont care if in there head there not intending to really shoot,im not in there head. extinguish the threat.
And remember the cardinal rule of firearm safety? All guns are always loaded.
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When I was stationed in Savannah, GA I had a guy pull a gun on me. I wasnt carrying anything myself. It was a Beretta 92. He demanded my wallet, I refused telling him it was 2 days before payday and to check the calendar next time. He racked the slide. He then demanded my watch (a military issue plastic timex.) When I refused, he racked the slide again. Nothing was ejected, I instantly knew he had a gun with no bullets and no magazine. I reached back, pulled my wallet out in my right hand. I reached out to "give" it to him. Just before he reached it, I dropped it. His initial reaction was to reach for it. As he did, my right hand grabbed his wrist behind the pistol. I pulled him forward and down. As he came forward, I caught him with my left forearm in the back of the neck and hit hit the pavement face first. I placed my left knee in the back of his neck with most of my weight on it. With my right hand, I bent his arm behind his back. Some people near by seen me take him down and ran over, thinking I had attacked him. I yelled for them to call 9-1-1, and they finally did. I held him until the police arrived.
Had I not had good knowledge of the Beretta 92F, I would not have known he had an unloaded gun and would have willingly given up my wallet.
Confuse a liberal, use logic and facts.
A lone punk jumps out of a recessed doorway and throws gun in my face. Scary fast! He is yelling, I am assessing and ... he has an empty .25 derringer. I took a deep breath, drew and said, mine is loaded, drop yours. He turned, ran into a fire hydrant and fell into the street. A witness across the street was already dialing 911. We both stand over him for the three minute wait for the cruiser - really, only three minutes in downtown Atlanta! It was hard not to laugh as the punk lay there crying and wet himself. The LEOs did laugh.
Another time as I round a corner of a building I hear "give me your money, granny". I am now standing less than twenty feet from two gangsts, one with a gun in a LOL's (little old lady) face. Now the gun is on me. Something does not look right. The punk is holding a BB gun with red, plastic accessories! I start drawing and moving to get granny out of my line of fire. show me your hands! I have never seen two guys move so fast. Before I can think of something else clever to say, they are way gone.
Those were very bad days. Bad SA put me at unacceptable risk. I should have observed, prepared and reacted faster. On the other hand, if I had proper SA, punk number one would had taken at least two .45 hits from less than ten feet. I like to think I learned valuable lessons from those incidents. I already knew SA is life. I was slack. Never be slack.