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    Drawing on a gun, thoughts ...

    Having read an excellent post by Betty: "Ramblings on People You Cannot Negotiate With", I got to re-evaluate my position on all the scenarios "Drawing on a gun pointed at you", including the interesting "You can tell their gun won't fire".

    Side note: It seems it is often assumed here that getting shot will put you out right away; not always true ...
    I remember reading that the chances of surviving a gun attack were better than a knife attack.

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    The odds that the person who attacks me, out of the blue, is mentally deranged are probably higher than the general population (drugs, off meds, gang initiation, random violence spree, voices in the head, etc.).
    Since I don't have the time for a full psychological evaluation, I am going to take my chances and shoot. Trying to do something logical is bound to fail (give him what he wants ...) if he is deranged; his reactions are not predictable.
    He might hit me or miss, eventually, I might die, but I'll do my best to take him with me and maybe save the next potential victim.

    That's my thinking, in my situation, no kids, a wife who can easily take care of herself and most of my life behind me.
    In no case I am saying that is what you should do !!!
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    Remember in 1993 when that crazy guy started shooting his lawyer at the L.A. Court house while T.V. crews filmed it. The laywer was hit several times but survived.

    Attorney Recalls Dodging Bullets, Gerry Curry Never Met Man Who Shot Him Six Times At Close Range - CBS News

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfl View Post
    Having read an excellent post by Betty: "Ramblings on People You Cannot Negotiate With", I got to re-evaluate my position on all the scenarios "Drawing on a gun pointed at you", including the interesting "You can tell their gun won't fire".

    Side note: It seems it is often assumed here that getting shot will put you out right away; not always true ...
    I remember reading that the chances of surviving a gun attack were better than a knife attack.

    Back on track:
    The odds that the person who attacks me, out of the blue, is mentally deranged are probably higher than the general population (drugs, off meds, gang initiation, random violence spree, voices in the head, etc.).
    Since I don't have the time for a full psychological evaluation, I am going to take my chances and shoot. Trying to do something logical is bound to fail (give him what he wants ...) if he is deranged; his reactions are not predictable.
    He might hit me or miss, eventually, I might die, but I'll do my best to take him with me and maybe save the next potential victim.

    That's my thinking, in my situation, no kids, a wife who can easily take care of herself and most of my life behind me.
    In no case I am saying that is what you should do !!!
    That's certainly a valid point of view b/c you really don't know what they will do and you really "don't have the time for a full psychological evaluation".

    I would especially encourage this type of action for women and have in fact recommended this course of action to my wife. I told her that she should consider herself, at that moment, raped and dead; anything less is just a plus. She should get the gun, shoot him, and keep shooting him until the gun was empty and then run like h*e*double hockey sticks.
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    I agree......at this point what more do you have to loose? How to do it? Fake a move to the left, and go to the right? Throwing out a distraction? Start talking and babbling in strange tongues? But yes.....in certain circumstances, I'd draw on a gun drawn on me with evil intentions.

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    I started carrying my wallet in my left pocket after I started CC for this very reason.

    If I pull my wallet out of my left rear pocket and throw it at the perp that gives me a split second to draw my carry with my strong hand, (right) and then proceed to defend myself.

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    +1 on your thinking.

    Also, unless central nervous system is interrupted it seems a person will have 15-20 seconds to complete the fight. Once I shot a deer with a 30-06 at 15 paces...blew out the heart but she ran 100 yards before going down. I don't think a human would be that much different.

    I carry two wallets...a throwdown in my weak side rear pocket will create a window when I toss it to the BG's strong side.

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    Video of Shooting on the Move

    Not here to tick anyone off but when I read these types of scenarios I feel like I definitely need training... and I'm probably not the only one. In a stressful situation we will revert back to our training and if the only training is on the keyboard or shooting at the range it's just not good enough. Move and shoot has to be practiced.
    USCCA has a video where a security guard, former LEO, took out an armed BG at a pharmacy by taking advantage of his training, being aware of an opportunity and shooting the culprit on the move.
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    Well, unfortunately we can't see the video any more due to copyright protection. However, Denny Crane in Boston Legal managed to pull it off quite eloquently. You can see how he distracted the guy and handing him his watch, then his wallet, and then KAPOW!. I know, that was TV.

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    You have to "play it as you see it." But in certain circumstances, I absolutely would draw and shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJK View Post
    +1 on your thinking.

    Also, unless central nervous system is interrupted it seems a person will have 15-20 seconds to complete the fight. Once I shot a deer with a 30-06 at 15 paces...blew out the heart but she ran 100 yards before going down. I don't think a human would be that much different.

    I carry two wallets...a throwdown in my weak side rear pocket will create a window when I toss it to the BG's strong side.
    When the heart stops, a human can go on for about 15-20 secs. First thing that happens is funny noises followed by tunnel/foggy vision; if standing, you fall down. It's pretty quick, but not quick enough that someone might not get a shot or two off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ram Rod View Post
    I agree......at this point what more do you have to loose? How to do it? Fake a move to the left, and go to the right? Throwing out a distraction? Start talking and babbling in strange tongues? But yes.....in certain circumstances, I'd draw on a gun drawn on me with evil intentions.
    +1 All of the above. If you have the presence of mind to observe which hand the BG's gun is in you can make a move that might make him miss: If it's in his right hand, fake to right & go left. Unless he has good trigger control, he will jerk his shots low & to the right. Vice versa (of course) for lefty BGs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJK View Post
    +1 on your thinking.

    Also, unless central nervous system is interrupted it seems a person will have 15-20 seconds to complete the fight. Once I shot a deer with a 30-06 at 15 paces...blew out the heart but she ran 100 yards before going down. I don't think a human would be that much different.

    I carry two wallets...a throwdown in my weak side rear pocket will create a window when I toss it to the BG's strong side.
    This is a good idea. Though i wonder how a jury would look at this tactic?
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    I plan to carry a drop wallet. It will be full of pretty pictures of gun porn
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    Quote Originally Posted by laguna0seca View Post
    This is a good idea. Though i wonder how a jury would look at this tactic?
    Solve the problem in front of you first and live long enough to face the next problem. As they say, if you are falling off a cliff you might try flapping your arms.

    Seriously though, if you live where a jury will probably burn you for taking out a BG that had a gun in your face, well you have a whole lot of problems. I would rather be the victim of a jury than a specimen for the coroner.

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    Seriously though, if you live where a jury will probably burn you for taking out a BG that had a gun in your face, well you have a whole lot of problems. I would rather be the victim of a jury than a specimen for the coroner.
    I agree wholeheartedly with this philosophy. But in a society where you can be burned because you carry "evil" hollowpoints, tricking someone to give you the opportunity to shoot them might be looked at as a little malicious.

    But I live in Utah, I am not too worried.
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    If someone points a gun at me I'd have to believe he intends me harm? I do not understand why anyone would just accept this? My way of thinking is that he's going to kill me. There is no other reason for him to be using the gun so why not at least try to put up a fight.

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