February 4th, 2009 10:03 AM
Originally Posted by SIXTO
A very good point. Not just shooting skills either. Engagement prioritization in a multiple threat environment will be critical in determining the eventual outcome.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
February 4th, 2009 10:18 AM
I have to think even if they pulled guns, i'd rather die trying to keep my wife safe than to let them take her.
February 4th, 2009 10:24 AM
Preventing a forcible felony is means for deadly force in my book
Originally Posted by bps3040
February 4th, 2009 10:44 AM
In my opinion none of the men in the van should be able to get away. If you area going to shoot dont shoot to wound shoot to live.
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February 4th, 2009 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by bps3040
Agreed with Dal1Celt and SIXTO too.
Draw and engage taking easiest target first and working through them until they all stop or are down and stopped by force.
As SIXTO noted a scenario such as this is when you will wish you had taken that extra course and gone to the range last week/month/year.
Agreed with others this is a no brainer. Even the law in MA would deem me not guilty.
This is one of the reasons why we carry and this scenario is realistic for many folk in some areas of the country (major cities), and has been in times past such as those of the southern states.
Also agreed with JAT40, I too think I would engage the driver with high priority so as to delay if not neutralize their ability to remove themselves from the scene with my wife in hand and pulled into their vehicle (van, car, whatever).
BTW even if the state I lived in were so crappy as to convict me of some crime, I would still do same and show nor have any remorse.
Any state that would send a father to prison for defending his childrens mother from assault by kidnappers would be to my mind a state that is no longer a part of my United States of America.
"Preventing a forcible felony is means for deadly force in my book" - Bprepared
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
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February 4th, 2009 10:55 AM
Unless they are extremely lucky they won't even touch the wife. Wife and I are too old to try and play the running game. 4 on 2, visible weapon or not, as far as I'm concerned I'm in a life threatening situation. My gun comes out and bodies drop until there aren't anymore or they turn tail and run.
February 4th, 2009 11:30 AM
Look at them and yell...you can have her :)))
Who comes up with these scenarios anyway??? Sounds like a movies...
February 4th, 2009 12:24 PM
I like the taking out the driver Idea. I would not have initially thought about that but it makes perfect sense.
They Die she stays with me and lives.
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February 4th, 2009 12:38 PM
In Colorado, preventing a kidnapping is justification for use of deadly force, armed or not.
February 4th, 2009 12:48 PM
4 v 2? Unarmed assailants is irrelevant.
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February 4th, 2009 01:02 PM
Gee, could this be a situation where you might reach for that second magazine?
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February 4th, 2009 01:17 PM
February 4th, 2009 01:20 PM
Couldn't agree more!
Originally Posted by Janq
February 4th, 2009 01:24 PM
So, you're going to shoot and kill the only one of the 4 who is not an immediate threat and who has not committed an overt act in furtherance of the violent felony you are trying to prevent?
Originally Posted by JAT40
Sounds like a quick path to prison to me.
Well, at least JAT40 will have a cell-mate to talk to.
Originally Posted by me
Battle Plan (n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.
Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
February 4th, 2009 01:27 PM
Oh I get it!!! This is a trick question!!!
4 unarmed men cannot grab your wife, They have no arms!!!!
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