This is a discussion on Four unarmed men within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by GreenHorn Oh I get it!!! This is a trick question!!! 4 unarmed men cannot grab your wife, They have no arms!!!! Thanks ...
"To believe that social reforms can eradicate evil altogether is to forget that evil is a protean creature, forever assuming a new shape when deprived of an old one." - SAT
Never argue with an idiot - they'll bring you down to their level then beat you with experience.
If ONE unarmed man grabbed my wife trying to drag her into a van, I'd shoot him dead.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
With all due respect, you are wrong. If that person is in the van waiting for them to pull her in he is just as guilty, legally, as they are and he is my best way to keep them there. If you are in commission of a crime with a buddy and they kill someone by law you are guilty of murder.
Being that he knows they are pulling her to the van (this would be a loud incident) then if he and that van are still there he is fair as a target. He is immediately a threat, if she gets to that van he is my most dangerous threat. Is he not?
Maybe you missed the logic that Janq put so well.
And yes, he did commit an overt act.
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
-James Earl Jones
...watch my wife beat the ever loving crap out of them.
My wife is 6'2" 180lbs 39" legs, and can accurately kick over MY head (I am 6'4"). She also has a badge and gun, and our land shark is always with us when we are on a quiet stroll through our country neighborhood.
If all else fails....we are both well versed in the ancient art of Gun Fu.
I am prepared, but not worried...she can handle herself quite well indeed.
If there is, in fact, a state where carry is legal, the laws of which did not consider shooting any or all of them in this scenario a lawful use of deadly force, then I think that we are all in deep trouble.
"It does not do to leave a dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him."
J. R. R. Tolkien
The driver, while certainly criminally culpable for the overall act being committed, is not an immediate threat. He's not physically attacking anyone in this scenario.
Let's say you are being robbed at gunpoint by to assailants - one has a gun, one is standing behind him acting as his lookout. You use deadly force to protect yourself from the one with the gun (also known as the actual threat). While the accomplice is certainly criminally culpable in this act (and will probably face murder charges in the death of his accomplice if he dies), you cannot shoot and kill the lookout as well.
Same thing applies here.
Battle Plan (n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.
Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
In Florida that is a forcible felony; the commission of which allows for deadly force to stop or prevent it.
What would I do? Let'er rip. Hopefully the driver won't give me a reason to shoot him as well, though it'd be nice if he stayed where he was (lined up with my sights) after his buddies were taken care of.
Gun control can be blamed in part for allowing 9/11 to happen.
"Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum" (Latin)- "If you want peace, prepare for war".
This is the law;
The purpose of fighting is to win.
There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either.
The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. - John Steinbeck
Dispatch the 4 BG's with extreme prejudism.
Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. — Winston Churchill
I have to believe that the driver is taking an active part in the kidnapping, which is legal grounds for use of deadly force. That's my worthless opinion, anyway. At the end of the day its gonna be up to a Prosecutor to see if the grand jury is gonna put it before a real jury.