Encountered Some Aggressive Panhandling

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    Encountered Some Aggressive Panhandling

    I was walking home from work today when I see a guy coming my way down the sidewalk. When he gets closer I see hes a young African American guy, maybe 19 or 20. He's dressed all "G'd" out, and reeks of weed (this was while he was about 10ft away). I continue walking by when he says "ay man you got a couple bucks for the bus?" I said "sorry man, dont have any cash." and turned to walk away. He says "come on, I know you got something for me" and takes a way to big step towards me. He is within 5ft or so. My hands had been in my pockets before I even saw him, one hand on a can of OC, the other on my Gerber folder. As he took the step closer, my thumb went up to the opening stud of the folder, ready to deploy it if I needed to. Luckily for both of us, he stopped there. I said again, "sorry man, I really dont have anything." He mumbles "ok whatever" (edited) and turns around.

    While having some means of defense was comforting, a .45 would have been much more so. If only my 21st birthday would hurry up.
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    I always ask them for a couple of bucks first. Throws them way off guard.
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    I think that "beggars" have always existed in every society. Dealing with them in a non-confrontational manner is the safest first choice, and that sounds exactly what you did.

    Someone may say that you let him get too close to you, but you can't keep all people out of your 21' radius 24/7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Husker View Post
    I always ask them for a couple of bucks first. Throws them way off guard.
    I'm gonna try that next time...
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    In any city you’re going to find street pan handlers; Most of the time, they are harmless, and mean you no harm, but some of them can get aggressive.

    I think you did fine, and if you where carrying a gun, you still would not have done anything different.

    Please always keep in mind, that you only use a pistol as a last resort, or when you have no choice because they have a weapon, or you’re in fear for your life for some reason.

    And never use a pistol to get the upper hand, of a conflict. This can be called brandishing, and it will get you in allot of trouble.


    Finally, you only show your pistol to someone a nanosecond before you shoot them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    In any city you’re going to find street pan handlers; Most of the time, they are harmless, and mean you no harm, but some of them can get aggressive.

    I think you did fine, and if you where carrying a gun, you still would not have done anything different.

    Please always keep in mind, that you only use a pistol as a last resort, or when you have no choice because they have a weapon, or you’re in fear for your life for some reason.

    And never use a pistol to get the upper hand, of a conflict. This can be called brandishing, and it will get you in allot of trouble.


    Finally, you only show your pistol to someone a nanosecond before you shoot them.
    Dont worry, I know.
    I wouldn't have changed anything I did if I had a pistol with me.
    But should he have gotten more aggressive and drawn a weapon of his own, the usefulness of a 4oz can of OC disappears in a hurry.
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    The situation in the OP shouldn't be underestimated.

    "Begging" is one way for someone to get closer to you while what they really have in mind is robbery.
    The only thing I would have done differently would have been to be more direct, clear, and forceful in telling the guy that I had nothing for him.
    After that, the next move would be to "brandish" pepper spray and make it even more clear that he needs to move on.
    If the guy escalated beyond that, it gets really ugly really fast.

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    I see people begging all the time. Mostly they are really down and out but once in a while you run into one that tries to "force you" into giving them money because they feel they can intimidate you into it. I've found that if you look them straight in the eye and say no that usually ends it. If they push it, it's time to get loud and angry. They do not want a serious confrontation. By getting a bit loud and angry you put them on the defensive because they don't know what you are capable of. A good bluff is part of your arsonal.

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    This is the sort of situation where a practiced 'tape loop' comes in handy. My preference is, "Sorry, I can't help you." It's short, to the point, works regardless of what they ask you for (money, the time, a ride, etc.) and doesn't invite further conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dal1Celt View Post
    I'm gonna try that next time...

    These clowns are getting out of control here in fayetteville. The 1 time I had to pull a weapon on a person here stateside was at the atm on sante fe I was going to go eat at china wok wanted to get a few bucks out of the atm. ( cash points walk up atm) I had my card in the atm I see a guy kinda white korean looking (Im sure youve seen him he is always there same story, homeless wifes pregnant bleh Ive raninto him 3 times since same story. )

    He gets close fakes a gimp, has a torn flip flop on one foot a shoe on the other. I told him to beat it and dont bother I dont want to hear about it. He trys to make small talk I tell him to get back he steps up to the atm when he comes within 10ft I draw, put out my left hand and tell him to the Heck up Now! Turn around and run away. His eyes got big he was pretty shell shocked. He got the point and put his hands up, turned around and ran away.
    Before then I probably wouldnt have drawn unless 100% iminent. But at the same time period people were being robbed at atms in the area by a guy and I wasnt about to be a victim.


    Watch out in Walmart parking lots. Ive seen more than one time that I was psuhing the cart to the return and had someone hassle my wife for money or to buy some **** they stole from the store ect. Watch out guys if the people who do thing honestly are having hard times th dishonest people will try to mess with you any way they can.

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    why was he within 5ft of you....too close for my liking..
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    The statistics for our local Walmart are not good.

    A good customer of ours (LEO) told us statistics show that last year Walmart had more police calls to it than the entire city. I can't remember what the LEO said the calls were for but they had done an analysis and that's what the results showed. We are always hearing of someone getting robbed/mugged in their parking lot. Heck one person was almost kidnapped.

    One guy got even though. It was one Christmas. An older guy and younger guy approached him, started to rob him when he got to his truck (they were armed with knives). He gladly handed over the items he just purchased, commented that they could have the other gifts in the truck too. Well when he reached as to get the packages and grabbed a 2x4 and went to pounding on the older guy. The younger guy jumps in saying "You can't hit my dad like that' and got a taste of the 2x4 too. They got locked up that night.


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    Quote Originally Posted by georgewain View Post
    I see people begging all the time. Mostly they are really down and out but once in a while you run into one that tries to "force you" into giving them money because they feel they can intimidate you into it. I've found that if you look them straight in the eye and say no that usually ends it. If they push it, it's time to get loud and angry. They do not want a serious confrontation. By getting a bit loud and angry you put them on the defensive because they don't know what you are capable of. A good bluff is part of your arsonal.
    The bluff worked for me. Show no fear, look 'em in the eye, and say "don't (edit) with me, you don't want no part of this."
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    I still use the ol' "I CAN'T HELP YOU!" response making hard eye contact and with my off hand raised as if to indicate "STOP"!
    At the same time, if the subject continues his advance toward me, my right hand is finding purchase on the grip of my 1911.
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    For years I worked in the heart of downtown. The best solution I have found is "Sorry, I Can't Help You Today" and continue walking. Works 99% of the time.
    Unfortunately every now and then you do encounter the aggressive one. For those situations I always carry a folded $1 bill in my pocket. When option #1 doesn't work I pull out the dollar bill like I forgot it was there, give it to them with a comment like "God Bless You", "Go With God", "Be Safe" or "Take Care Of Yourself" and continue walking away like nothing happened. While not the best solution it does difuse the situation. Also, should the situation escalate you are on stronger legal ground as you can honestly say that he asked for money, you complied, he still attacked and you were forced to defend yourself. (BTW, the bill I carry is marked so that I can prove it was mine.) Giving up a dollar every once in a while is a small price to pay to stay out of a confrontation. A side benefit of the dollar in the pocket is that you don't have to open your wallet or purse if there is no other option available.
    I have found that the most aggressive panhandling seems to happen on the the last few weeks of the year. With many employees on vacation for Christmas and New Year their normal take is down and they seem to be more desparate. Always need to be on extra alert then.

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