Standoff with a Rotty tonight.

This is a discussion on Standoff with a Rotty tonight. within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Originally Posted by SleepingZ Irregardless if the delivery driver should or should not have drawn down on a dog, some poster have stated they would ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepingZ View Post
    Irregardless if the delivery driver should or should not have drawn down on a dog, some poster have stated they would have drawn down on the delivery guy or said things would have turn out bad. What are you talking about????
    That's exactly what I have been thinking. Typically people on here have been all for upholding the law in regards of where to carry and how to defend yourself, but this just shocks me. I understand the caring for your animal, I always have as well. But this does not justify pointing the business end of your weapon at a delivery driver who obviously is scared of your pet. Especially after the driver asked the owner to do something about it.
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    I think perhaps you felt a sense of invincibility with your gun on your side and that you didnt think the scenario through as if you were NOT carrying. I would never have gotten out of my truck in that situation and never have (tow truck driver and service truck driver for 20+ years). Dogs, even though they look friendly, may not be and you have no way of telling until they are attatched to your face. I have 3 minpins and, though small, can be VERY agressive in a situation where a stranger threatens them or bonks them on the head. Granted they are easier to subdue than a 80+ lb Rottie but I guarantee it's gonna bleed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by major99 View Post
    I think perhaps you felt a sense of invincibility with your gun on your side and that you didnt think the scenario through as if you were NOT carrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepingZ View Post
    Irregardless if the delivery driver should or should not have drawn down on a dog, some poster have stated they would have drawn down on the delivery guy or said things would have turn out bad. What are you talking about???? You ordered the pizza, so the driver had a reason to be on your property, the dog was not tied or fenced in. The driver could have come up with a half way reasonable "feared for his life or limb" rational in his defence, but the pet owner, as for drawing and pointing a weapon at the delivery person, well I don't believe they deliver pizza at jail, (not sure).

    As for me, yes I love my pet, it is part of the family, and I am not sure what I would do to someone who would harm my pet, but just guessing, I think the law/court system would not be happy with someone pointing a gun or taking physical action against a person vs a pet.

    The delivery drivers day may be bad, but I am betting your's will be worse.

    Final note, the delivery guy, what was you thinking when you hit the dog with your fist?????


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    If you take a life I love on my property, what happens next would be very shaky That's why I stated it would ruin both our lives.
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    Lots of things to cover. First off, no cell phone service in the area so that wasn't an option. Also my horn doesn't work (getting fixed tomorrow) so that wasn't available either.


    Quote Originally Posted by dnowell View Post
    Yeah - I'm not exactly sure what you hoped to accomplish by hitting the dog. A dog like that isn't going to be deterred by a fist to the head -- look at how big dogs play and you'll see that they can take a lot more than that. But it will make the dog see you as an aggressor. Agree with what others say on OC spray. Also might get a book on dog behavior so you can read them better.
    I struck the dog when it nudged me as a "get the hell off me" gesture. I don't carry OC spray anymore. I got mauled by a dog before and OC didn't work. I had to shoot it and kill it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mkh View Post
    Either the OP was driving too fast to be turning into a driveway or the dog was allowed to roam the neighborhood and had been following the truck.
    I was driving down the street 20mph, not in their driveway. The dog followed along side my truck for about 3 blocks at that pace.

    Quote Originally Posted by rottkeeper View Post
    Bottom line owner should have been smarter. That said you never should have gotten out of your vehicle and NEVER should have hit him at all. This could have provoked an attack that never would have been. If the dog was aggressive you would have been done for then and there. Rotties are the type to nudge or lean on you for attention, many offer up a low guttural growl when you pet them that says ''hey I like this''. If you don't know the breed it is easy to believe they are mean. Again I say the owner should be more responsible than to let him be loose on his own for your safety and the dogs. As much as I know that rotties are good dogs I don't expect everyone to agree or know their traits.
    Good luck in the future.
    I know a bit about Rotties. Rotties are great with kids, very loyal, and make good dogs for protection. They are quick and powerful.

    Quote Originally Posted by rottkeeper View Post
    Big babies they are, and yes if the if the dog wanted him, he never would have had time to draw. Don't think because they are big they are slow, they can cover a lot of ground fast.
    I doubt that. When he took two steps towards me from 8 foot distance, my gun was out at low ready. One more step and he was going to be shot. I doubt he would have won that match. Guess we'll never know.
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    Are you honestly that scared of a dog!?!? So you know (which I'm sure most of you do), dogs have better senses the we human beings. Often times your fear will startle a dog as they cannot distinguish between your fear and you will to harm. TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND RELAX, IT'S A DOG!!!!

    If you are that fearful of canines I suggest you get a desk job!
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    Fear is a state of mind...I believe you had to do what you felt best to protect yourself.

    If you saw the dog following though...I don't think I would of got out of the vehicle, but honked my horn at the house. In this case, I think you could of negated the threat without the use of a firearm.

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    WARNING keep it civil or the thread will be closed. I have removed a few insults already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    Lots of things to cover. First off, no cell phone service in the area so that wasn't an option. Also my horn doesn't work (getting fixed tomorrow) so that wasn't available either.

    No cell no horn, turn around and head back to shop.

    I struck the dog when it nudged me as a "get the hell off me" gesture. I don't carry OC spray anymore. I got mauled by a dog before and
    OC didn't work. I had to shoot it and kill it.

    Punching a dog in the head as a get off me is a poor choice of actions unless the dog has already begun an attack.

    I was driving down the street 20mph, not in their driveway. The dog followed along side my truck for about 3 blocks at that pace.

    My dog will come from where ever he is when out to ''great'' people stopping by. To see him coming at the vehicle you would think he was was a mad killer but he is the exact opposite he is looking for attention and he is very nosy. That is why I am outside with him when he is out, I need to protect him not people coming to my home.


    I know a bit about Rotties. Rotties are great with kids, very loyal, and make good dogs for protection. They are quick and powerful.

    Knowing a bit and knowing enough are two different things. Knowing a bit can get you in trouble fast, know enough and you wouldn't get out of the vehicle.

    I doubt that. When he took two steps towards me from 8 foot distance, my gun was out at low ready. One more step and he was going to be shot. I doubt he would have won that match. Guess we'll never know.

    IMHO you are relying on the gun to get you out of trouble that using more caution would have kept you out of.
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    I think the suggestion that he should know more about rotties is not fair. I don't know anything about them, does everybody know enough about horses, bulls, bears, mountain lions, snakes, bees? I don't expect everyone to know about things that effect me and my life and I don't think it's fair to suggest that he should read books or whatever about dogs.

    Now this doesn't really say much about the situation, I just don't think that is the remedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamisou View Post
    Glad you r ok, and that you didn't have to harm the animal because of its idiotic owners. Remember, its not the dog, its the irresponsible owners!

    Here is my Rotty, doing what she does best.
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    I hope you can take some of what is said here and boil it down to a good lesson learned on how you might handle it next time. Maybe even help some of the other delivery people with options. Always easy to second guess the actions of others when we are not in the "heat of the moment."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaSteve View Post
    I think the suggestion that he should know more about rotties is not fair. I don't know anything about them, does everybody know enough about horses, bulls, bears, mountain lions, snakes, bees? I don't expect everyone to know about things that effect me and my life and I don't think it's fair to suggest that he should read books or whatever about dogs.

    Now this doesn't really say much about the situation, I just don't think that is the remedy.
    It doesn't mean he should know more, but to not let yourself into a situation thinking you know ENOUGH. I would not suggest that everyone learn everything about the breed just because I own and love them. Just use simple caution which is not breed specific and that is ''stay away'' from unknown dogs. We teach our kids to stay away from unknown animals and ''not to touch'' them, why wouldn't that apply to us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rottkeeper View Post
    It doesn't mean he should know more, but to not let yourself into a situation thinking you know ENOUGH. I would not suggest that everyone learn everything about the breed just because I own and love them. Just use simple caution which is not breed specific and that is ''stay away'' from unknown dogs. We teach our kids to stay away from unknown animals and ''not to touch'' them, why wouldn't that apply to us?
    alright, I'll buy that. I just read a comment yesterday or something that told him to go buy a book on dogs or something. I didn't think that was fair and was going to say something earlier, but didn't forget until you mentioned something.

    But I'll buy what you are saying and I agree in that I probably wouldn't have gotten out of the car, perhaps rolled down the window to see how he reacts to my hand and stuff to show him I'm a good guy.

    I had a bulldog from a neighbor run at me a while back, freaked me out a little, but I didn't even turn around to avoid him, just stood there and let me bump into me, turns out he's a big baby too, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elk Hunter View Post
    I hope you can take some of what is said here and boil it down to a good lesson learned on how you might handle it next time. Maybe even help some of the other delivery people with options. Always easy to second guess the actions of others when we are not in the "heat of the moment."
    +1, i may have been a little harsh in my last post......apparently the nudge was not seen as freindly by the OP and that was what set the whole situation off, in the future, try offering to pet the dog after the firts sniff test to guage the friendliness of the dog, if the dog isnt too friendly at that point i would suggest driving back to the pizza place, or to within cell range to make the nessasary phone calls.....of course if the owners had just done like i and others have said, and kept the dog inside, then this would never have happend in the first place...

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