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    You did good...

    Very good in fact, but I do have the non emergency police number programed into my cell JIC, but I would classify this as a issue worthy of 911.
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    No wonder the economy is in the crapper, nobody can be bothered to open the door.
    Maybe it was the prise patrol, you just lost 10 million dollars.

    I live not far from Detroit so we do get some undesirables knocking at the door, but come on people. How snobbish has society become.

    I can easily take 1 minute from my day to answer the door like a decent human and if they start a sales ***** tell them no thank you.

    Many home invasions are happening in my area so I do understand the caution, but are we supposed to be captive in our own homes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    No wonder the economy is in the crapper, nobody can be bothered to open the door.
    Maybe it was the prise patrol, you just lost 10 million dollars.

    I live not far from Detroit so we do get some undesirables knocking at the door, but come on people. How snobbish has society become.

    I can easily take 1 minute from my day to answer the door like a decent human and if they start a sales ***** tell them no thank you.

    Many home invasions are happening in my area so I do understand the caution, but are we supposed to be captive in our own homes?
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    Good job Grady, and thanks for the lesson learned. I always like the food for thought...
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    Excellent write up Grady.

    Very good post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    No wonder the economy is in the crapper, nobody can be bothered to open the door.
    Maybe it was the prise patrol, you just lost 10 million dollars.

    I live not far from Detroit so we do get some undesirables knocking at the door, but come on people. How snobbish has society become.

    I can easily take 1 minute from my day to answer the door like a decent human and if they start a sales ***** tell them no thank you.

    Many home invasions are happening in my area so I do understand the caution, but are we supposed to be captive in our own homes?
    It's not being snobbish.....it is being smart. You open the door and you open yourself up to trouble. One second you are getting a sales pitch, the next second you are being bummed rushed by three thugs with AK style rifles. I say you are taking your chances by opening the door.

    If they are going to knock the door down.....they will. But you have the upper hand if you have spotted them prior to them engaging you. You know the layout of the house and are hopefully going to use that to your advantage tactically. When you go outside you have given up this advantage and now they have the upper hand. Also when you go out to hear the sales pitch, how far away are you? Conversation distance, right? Well I don't care how quick you are from the draw you are going to get carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey if the thug is good with a blade.

    I understand what you are saying about being captive in your own home, but we live in different days nows. Gotta stay vigilant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    No wonder the economy is in the crapper, nobody can be bothered to open the door.
    Maybe it was the prise patrol, you just lost 10 million dollars.


    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    I live not far from Detroit so we do get some undesirables knocking at the door, but come on people. How snobbish has society become.

    I can easily take 1 minute from my day to answer the door like a decent human and if they start a sales ***** tell them no thank you.
    And that's how some home invasions start and end. The person opens the door, the hoods outside force their way in, and it's on. In those situations, the homeowner usually doesn't fare well unless they are armed or are great at H2H, and are prepared for immediate action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    Many home invasions are happening in my area so I do understand the caution, but are we supposed to be captive in our own homes?
    I'm not captive a bit. I can go anywhere I want, any time I want.

    But if I want to buy something, I'll search it out myself. I don't need anyone coming to my home, interrupting me and giving me some high-pressure sales pitch. Yeh, salespeople need to make a living also, but I choose to shop at places other than my front door. My house, my life, my choice.

    Call it snobbery if you want, but I'll call it my privacy and my decision. Strangers selling stuff, religion, or politics can stay away from my front door.

    I'm a country boy, I like my privacy. If someone intrudes uninvited and ignores the city-approved sign, I'll let them deal with the police. If they can't take a little rejection, maybe they shouldn't be in door-to-door sales. If they're too rude to take a polite hint from a sign, I don't want to speak to them anyway.

    If I want to meet strangers, I'll meet them at a time and place of my choosing, not at my front door at a time of their choosing, and not when my family's life, health, and provider (me) are so vulnerable.

    My house, my door, my life, my decision.

    I could post 100 links to home invasions that started with someone opening a door to a stranger, but there is no point. Sounds like your mind is made up. I know mine is.

    This snob intends to outlive his parents (that won't take long, unfortunately).
    This snob intends to see his daughter graduate from high school and college.
    This snob hopes to see some grandkids someday, unless this screwed up world keeps getting worse.
    This snob intends to be there for his wife as she ages and slips into eternity.
    This snob hopes to die a peaceful death in bed rather than in a struggle or a gun battle in my foyer.
    This snob is tired and needs to go to bed.

    Maybe I've misinterpreted your post, Super Trucker. I remember a day when people were kind to strangers, respectful to elders, kids' fights didn't involve knives or guns... when you could leave your house unlocked at night, and leave your keys in your car. But those days are long gone for most of us, certainly me. I could tell you stories about rapes in my neighborhood and a nearby neighborhood because people left their doors unlocked at night... and the rapes involved children--St. Peters, MO, 1996, the first year we moved here.

    No, I don't trust strangers anymore. I've seen too much. I don't want strangers on my property. If I see someone near my house that needs help, I may help, or I may call the police. But I don't want strangers on my property.

    It's not 1950 any more in my world. Sometimes I wish it was, but it isn't. Maybe someday I can move to a small town or the country and relive part of what it used to be, but to trust strangers now where I live is not wise.

    Call me jaded, a snob, or whatever, but I'm not inclined to give strangers the benefit of the doubt, at least not at first, and never when my family is involved.

    I know the evil and violence people are capable of committing.

    I don't apologize for guarding my family, or protecting our privacy. I value both.

    I hope you live in a place where it is safe to share your front door with strangers. I don't live in such a place any more.

    Unfortunately, Mayberry has been over for me for a long, long time, and I don't think I can find it again in this lifetime.

    Sometimes I dream about it, and remember the days with the wind in my face, and sun on my back, running with the dogs through the fields and woods... not a care in my life, thinking how good life was, thinking about all the life that was ahead of me, not having to worry about the evil in life because there was very little of it where we lived. It was reality then, but it was only for a short time. Those days are gone. Now my goal is to make it to the end with as few collisions, dogfights, thug encounters, bloodloss events, hospital stays, and broken hearts as possible.

    I hope, for some, it is possible to live in total peace and trust wherever you are. For me, those days are gone, and it is dangerous to pretend they are still here.

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    I'm with you 100% Grady.

    I guess that makes me a snob too.

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    If the trench coats were dark color I would say they were Mormons doing their required withess. Men always go out together, allways 2 together, trench coats and briefcases. Just my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raevan View Post
    If the trench coats were dark color I would say they were Mormons doing their required withess. Men always go out together, allways 2 together, trench coats and briefcases. Just my guess.
    The original post made it sound as if they were middle aged which would make them too old to be Mormons on thier 2 year recruiting tour away from the fold.

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    Grady, well done and thanks for the report.
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    Using the intercom and announcing that you are busy but you are indeed home is a good tactic. In the book Thank God I Had a Gun, almost the same exact scenario happened. One guy comes up to the door, rings the bell and when he doesn't hear an answer, goes to the back and breaks in. Fortunately the lady at home had a gun and was able to defend herself. But the lesson is:
    1. let them know that someone is at home so that they know not to try the break in the back door stunt
    2. call the police (which you did) when you see suspicious people in your neighborhood

    Also if you get a dog that barks at strangers, that'll help encourage them to move on. :)

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    They fit the profile of a trainer and trainee for Mormons or Jehovahs Witnesses. I think the same 2 guys came by my house, in Texas. I saw them coming (walking) for more than a half a mile to get to my door. After about 4 seconds they had to turn around and walk more than 1/2 mile to the next neighbor. They were working up a sweat in their suit and tie outfits.

    Suggestions:
    1. Trim the lower branches on the tree, keep the shade, improve visibility.
    2. Replace your front door with a door that has glass panes to see through.
    3. Talk to them through the closed door with pump shotgun in hand, ask them why they ignored the no soliciting sign, rack round into chamber (it is a universally recognized sound)
    4. Perp description requirements were probably required blanks to be filled in the dispatchers console. Gray, tan, black or off white are the colors I can think of for trench coats.
    5. Would it be possible to modify the sign from "No Solicitors" to "Solicitors will be shot"? Or add some bullet holes to the sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Trucker View Post
    No wonder the economy is in the crapper, nobody can be bothered to open the door.
    Maybe it was the prise patrol, you just lost 10 million dollars.

    I live not far from Detroit so we do get some undesirables knocking at the door, but come on people. How snobbish has society become.

    I can easily take 1 minute from my day to answer the door like a decent human and if they start a sales ***** tell them no thank you.

    Many home invasions are happening in my area so I do understand the caution, but are we supposed to be captive in our own homes?
    I live not far from Detroit myself, and I don't consider myself a snob for not trusting a stranger that shows up at my door.
    Not too long ago I had a solicitor show up and refuse to leave, stand there and argue that he didn't have to leave, call me a few unflattering names, and being generally obnoxious. After a call to the local PD he finally got the hint and left. By the time he got to the corner(7 houses away) my friends in blue arrived, he refused to show ID when asked, did not have a required permit for soliciting, still carrying his bad attitude with him, he was issued a citation for soliciting without a permit, for which he failed to show up in court and now has a bench warrant for his arrest.
    At that time I did not have a gun in the house, if I had he certainly would have discovered where I keep it concealed.
    Several of the friends I have on the local police force decided to keep an extra watch on my home, and he hasn't been back.
    Maybe I am a snob, but after a situation like that I feel I have the right to not trust strangers.
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    Very many years ago I did some door to door visiting in my neighborhood to get petition signatures for something we wanted on the City agenda.

    I was absolutely amazed at how quickly and casually people opened doors to a total stranger. They might have slammed it when they found out what I wanted, but they thought nothing of opening it in the first place. Moreover, I could often easily tell that a house was unoccupied, and if I could figure it out a home burglar would have figured it out too.

    I generally try to not answer the door; and if I am not certain but wish to answer, I go out a side door and "sneak" up on the people at the front door. That way, if there is trouble, it stays outside the house. I might get killed outside, but I will not open the house to let a BG in. I'm probably giving up some of my rights (and creating some ambiguity) with regard to Texas' law, but usually the strangers at the door are good guys, the Lyons Club or similar, and I don't want to just ignore what 99% of the time is someone trying to make a living or collect money for charity, or signatures on a petition, or looking for votes.

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