What should you do ? (VIDEO)

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    What should you do ? (VIDEO)

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    Lets pretend that good guy with a white cap is you. What should you do ?

    I probably capped him out if I'm carry IWB 3:30 Your comments ? Thoughts?


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    I like how the customers acted like no big deal, when he walks in. The one dummy pulls out his wad of cash and pays the clerk! Then why they are fighting over the gun, they stand there and watch. I would have been gone, lol.
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    I would have at least stepped out and dialed 911...
    Ahhh, what an awful dream. Ones and zeros everywhere... and I thought I saw a two.


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    They watched? What idiots.
    I'd have left as soon as my brain engaged my feet (iow, after the shock of figuring it out).
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    Those customers are obviously MORONS. Standing around waiting to see what happens, like a couple of kids watching a schoolyard fight. The clerk, he is an idiot too for ignoring the obvious threat. Then, when he gets his gun, he pushes it forward and within reach of the robber. He should have shot the robber, soon has he had the gun up, not stand there waiting to see what the robber would do in reaction to seeing him having a gun now too.

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    The site you are linking too break. com is tagged for nudity and lingerie, therefore most people at work cannot link to vids on break. com

    It sounded interesting.

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    the clerk should of shot him first thing and not let the BG get his gun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sass20485 View Post
    Those customers are obviously MORONS. Standing around waiting to see what happens, like a couple of kids watching a schoolyard fight. The clerk, he is an idiot too for ignoring the obvious threat. Then, when he gets his gun, he pushes it forward and within reach of the robber. He should have shot the robber, soon has he had the gun up, not stand there waiting to see what the robber would do in reaction to seeing him having a gun now too.
    I second that. All I could think watching was that during the struggle, that would be a perfect time for the two shoppers to help the clerk out as they weren't in quite as much danger anymore.
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    Pretty crazy scene.

    White hat guy could have easily pulled a gun and put one in the BG's head. I don't think it would matter how you were carrying, there was plenty of time to go out to your car, get a gun, and then come back and shoot the BG if that was the intention.
    Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.
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    If I were the guy in the white hat, (assuming I am unarmed), I would have at least stepped in to help out the clerk, while they wire fighting over the gun. A nice crack to the back of the guys head or something. DO SOMETHING MORONS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmanluke View Post
    If I were the guy in the white hat, (assuming I am unarmed), I would have at least stepped in to help out the clerk, while they wire fighting over the gun. A nice crack to the back of the guys head or something. DO SOMETHING MORONS!!!
    Yup. Me too. Grab a can of soup off the shelf and smack him in the head at the very least!
    Especially when the perp struggles to get the clerks weapon away from him. That pretty much says to me that the perps weapon is not real or is inoperable or at the least he is not inclined to use it. What kind of idiot grabs someone else's weapon when you have your own?

    Also agree with sass20485's comment about the clerk letting his weapon get within reach of the perp. When his firearm was grabbed, he should of stepped back abruptly, which pulls the alignment onto target, and pulled the trigger. Not engaged in a tug of war!

    I am hoping that the bystanders were trying to be good witnesses, but still seemed to be in the mode.

    OMO; If one of them were armed, it could be argued that their own lives were not imminently threatened, however if you told the perp to drop the gun, and he turns towards you instead, that would be construed as an immediate threat. Not that we should be 'playing' the role of an LEO, but you are witnessing a felony in progress and a citizen can effect an arrest for that. Additionally if the perp gets his money who says he isn't going to pop off few rounds on the way out in an effort to eliminate witnesses?
    My first thought as I was watching the video was; "Is the guy in orange an accomplice?" It has brought up here before about watching your back in such a situation.

    Not legal advice; Just my 2 cents. YMMV.
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    Seeing a hooded and masked man enter the store, gun or no gun, should have been enough to automatically send the clerk into high alert. When a wolf shows up baring his fangs, you better notice and recognize him fast or you're going to get eaten. If you're not going to fight back then get yourself out of harm's way ASAP.

    From my point of view as customer:
    * BG has his back to me. I'm being intentionally ignored.
    * An innocent man's life is in immediate danger.
    * If the clerk gets shot, I might be next for being a known witness.
    * I don't know if there may be an accomplish lurking around waiting to jump in if the BG needs help.
    * I have a clear head-shot opportunity at close range.

    If I were to draw and shout for the BG to drop his gun, how do I know he isn't going to spin around and peel off a shot before I can stop him? I could try to grab his arms and fight for control of his weapon, but how do I know that I'm going to win that fight? Clearly from this video you can't count on bystanders coming to your aid.

    I would draw and shoot the BG in the head, make sure that the threat is stopped, scan around for other threats, and tell the clerk to call 911 while I continue scanning for threats until the cops arrive.

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    A couple of observations.

    Do you think the clerk had a gun, but had little if any training?

    You fight like you train. In a crisis, you brain will naturally default to how it's been trained to react. If there is no training embedded for the brain to act on, it will usually default to just freezing or panic.

    As mentioned by the original poster, what if YOU were the customer in the white hat?

    I would have to have been there at that moment to realistically decide what I would have done.

    However, quite possibly, I would have pulled out my gun and shot him at the base of the dome causing instantaneous neurological shut down. Kind of like how Tony Soprano got it in the final episode. Just turn off his light switch so he couldn't pull the trigger on the store clerk.

    Hind sight is usually 20/20 and by watching the surveillance video, the robber totally ignored the customers. He just ignored the fact that he pulled out a wad of cash to pay for his slurpee and then put the rest back in his pocket.

    Also, later, the robber completely turned his back on the two customers, paying no attention to them what so ever. More than once! (All that happened way before the clerk even went for his gun).

    Now realistically, being there in person, during the "heat of the moment", a person who is a ccw holder may or may not actually pick up on that. But, if an opportunity were to present itself in that way, I may opt to shoot the bad guy from behind, without warning or saying a word.

    Again, you have to play it as you see it unfold in real time to really know what you will do.

    My main goal is to come home alive to continue fulfilling my family obligations and not to play police officer. I'm extremely reluctant to involve my gun with 3rd party incidents. However, in this case, I very well may have shot the robber in the head. I probably would... You just don't get many opportunities any clearer than that in real life. I just can't say for sure.
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    I would have at least stepped out and dialed 911...
    +1 here..

    I see a lot of weird things in this one.

    1. Why is everyone so calm...and that nut starts paying
    for his stuff..oh well just an armed man next to me?

    2. When the clerk pulled out his .357...why did he point it so,
    close the BG had a chance to grab it?

    3. I can't see why BG's want to hit these stores..it's always a
    low dollar amount. He could go out and mow about 2 lawns and
    get that same cash legally

    Rant mode off

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    How insane was that whole thing?????


    I'm very confused

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