Do you run or do you shoot?

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    Do you run or do you shoot?

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    No time to do either really.

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    Which person are you in the scenario? A by-stander? The one with the gun to your head? The guy in the backroom?

    Once I know which "person" I am supposed to be maybe I can speculate?

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    Shoot! Then shoot again!

    I have seen that before and it just plain sucks. That is a true coward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    Which person are you in the scenario? A by-stander? The one with the gun to your head? The guy in the backroom?

    Once I know which "person" I am supposed to be maybe I can speculate?
    Exactly. I am not sure what the OP is actually asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    Which person are you in the scenario? A by-stander? The one with the gun to your head? The guy in the backroom?

    Once I know which "person" I am supposed to be maybe I can speculate?
    your the one sitting infront of the man looking towards the BG.
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    Not that it answers the question, but it looks to me like an accidental discharge by the bad guy.

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    Well now that we know which one we are supposed to be.

    Oh and good to see you around again Lima, that little fella sure is cute is getting big.

    Back to the question though. It doesn't appear that there is much time if the guy sitting towards the shooter doesn't see him coming or see the gun. Had I been there and seen the shooter approaching with a gun, I would have warned the others by saying something while getting my gun and trying to put him down before he was able to put me or someone else down.

    Had I not noticed it before he got to the shop owner, I would still be going for my gun, since there would be no indication that he wasn't intent on shooting me or someone else after the owner went down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkchris View Post
    Not that it answers the question, but it looks to me like an accidental discharge by the bad guy.
    I thought that too at first, but I almost wonder if it was a "hit" or something. Either way it is sad. What kind of coward does that? This is a sick world we live in.

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    That YouTube clip leads to a lot of dirtbags...

    To the OP...a lot depends on who I was in the vid...hopefully I'm headed out the door.
    Seated at the table and that guy turns to run...he's going to receive some 'special delivery'...
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    If I'm not the person with the gun to my head than the answer depends on my relationship with the guy who has the gun to his head.

    Is his life worth risking my own?

    If the answer is "yes" then I may try to intervene. If the answer is "no" then I'm looking for my quickest escape. I may experience a little survivor's guilt, but the next time I got to hold my husband and my son I'd be thanking God.

    To be honest, I don't think anyone around him knew that the guy had a gun to his head until the incident was over.

    The posture of the guy sitting to the victim's right never even changed until the BG was running for the door.

    Everything happened so fast if you would have been hard pressed to react fast enough to intervene.

    I agree that it also looked like the BG may not have intended to shoot him at that moment. Doesn't mean he never intended to shoot him, I just don't think he was counting on it being that soon. Whose to know, however.

    Either way, if I wasn't the guy with the gun to my head, chances are I probably wouldn't have known what was going on until the BG was running for the door, just like everyone in the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limatunes View Post
    Which person are you in the scenario? A by-stander? The one with the gun to your head? The guy in the backroom?

    Once I know which "person" I am supposed to be maybe I can speculate?
    Lima, I just want to welcome you back and let you know how happy I am that you have returned here. Nice pic of you and kiddo. Thanks.

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    Looks like as soon as the victim looked at the robber he shot him,It seems to me that this was more personal and was a murder and not a robbery,somebody was sending a message and the BG's red doo rag means he was a "Blood" to me,
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Looks like as soon as the victim looked at the robber he shot him,It seems to me that this was more personal and was a murder and not a robbery,somebody was sending a message and the BG's red doo rag means he was a "Blood" to me,
    That was my first thought, a "hit", not a robbery.

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    Dang...that has history all over it. Maybe he refuse to pay his extortion due's. Or owed somebody some $$ maybe bad drug deal, or bad bet. I really don't think it was a random deal.....to surgical. I think I would've ran.

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