Hypothetical situation,what are your thoughts?
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April 25th, 2009 09:02 PM
Hypothetical situation,what are your thoughts?
I have a question about a Hypothetical situation for you guys okay here goes. Lets say an American living in England was to procure a handgun and kept said weapon in his home for defensive purposes.
Now one night a prowler breaks in and your forced to confront them with your gun,now I take it this being England the criminals aren't use to getting armed resistance flees. How likely is it that they will notify the police,being they were committing a crime when your pointed a gun at them? Whats the likelihood you would have to shoot? would you if you had to live there for any length of time arm yourself? And if you were caught what would be the be the result for a criminal record here?
please note this is a hypothetical question and I don't advocate doing anything illegal,now please share your thoughts.
April 25th, 2009 09:11 PM
In short, if you shot or they called PD:
Invert Florida Castle Doctrine and that is what would happen.
So you go to jail, you are libel civic/criminally. Your firearm is gone.
April 25th, 2009 09:21 PM
I see your point. Especially in high-crime areas, it might seem like a good idea to obtain an illegal weapon for HD bluffing. I would probably get as good a weapon as was legal, though, so I could actually use it.
What the 'hotel' would a safety-conscious American be doing in England?
April 25th, 2009 09:31 PM
Q - How likely is it that they will notify the police, being they were committing a crime when your pointed a gun at them?
A~ Anywhere from Zero to 100%
Q- Whats the likelihood you would have to shoot?
A- Anywhere from Zero to 100%
Q - Would you if you had to live there for any length of time arm yourself?
A- A "Yes" answer would require a violation of Forum Rule #10
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April 25th, 2009 09:48 PM
Unless it's older than 1919 and the local Chief of Police agrees that it is exempt, you cannot possess a handgun, or even a replica of a handgun in the U.K. And more importantly, perhaps, is that your chances of getting a firearms license for one is slim to none - before they even consider the fact that you're a resident alien. If you wanted to defend yourself with a firearm - it will have to be at home and with a 24" or longer barreled shotgun, after acquiring the proper licenses.
Here's the Home Office's firearms guidance in .pdf
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April 25th, 2009 10:28 PM
Serving our country for one...
Originally Posted by United93
Don't know how someone can gauge the "likelihood"...but, hypothetically of course, if this were to happen...I'd get rid of the weapon pronto...now it becomes your word against theirs.
April 25th, 2009 11:06 PM
I hadn't thought of that, bandit. Good point.
April 25th, 2009 11:26 PM
I had to intention of breaking forum rules I apologize.
April 25th, 2009 11:47 PM
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April 26th, 2009 12:09 AM
Actually, since the British are oh so British I would expect you to have a higher probability of having to shoot than you would in the U.S. After all in the U.S. we are all expected to have weapons in our homes. All of her majesty's loyal subjects have willingly complied with the authorities and turned their weapons in. That being said, a bad guy breaking into your place may quite well think you are bluffing. Now that you have shot the burglar you get to deal with the British legal system. Your constitutional rights as you know them are now worth precisely doodley squat. You are in their country you are subject to their rules. At some time or another they will let you contact the embassy.
They have lots of castles there, but no castle doctrine. You will be civilly liable, you will spend time in prison. After serving your sentence you will be deported and declared personna non grata. Depending on the judgement against you they may well contact the State Department to arrange for Uncle Sam to take action to make sure your debt is paid.
Or the short answer, Don't do it.
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April 26th, 2009 12:22 AM
Originally Posted by mcp1810
April 26th, 2009 12:37 AM
I don't even go to Maryland, much less the U.K.
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April 26th, 2009 12:54 AM
Yes it is pretty bad indeed when one can't defend themselves in their own home from attack. I pray it never gets like that here.
April 26th, 2009 03:41 AM
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Considering the tons of threads we've had on this forum discussing the gun & self defense laws in Great Britain, I'm really dismayed that this thread was started in the first place.
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