Prisoner in your own home

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    Prisoner in your own home

    I called a friend of mine to wish him happy birthday a weeks or so ago. From what he told me he got a real surprise on his birthday and asked my opinion on the situation. Here is what happened:

    It's Saturday morning. His girlfriend went into their carport where the laundry room is located to put on a load of clothes. Unbeknownst to her she was being watched.

    Upon re-entering the house a BG followed her in, putting a gun to her head and told her don't make a sound. Two other BGs follow suit and enter. She is told to go get the kids quietly and bring them into the living room. She complies. They are all duct taped up and shoved into a corner.

    Meanwhile, in the bedroom, my friend is still asleep. He is awakened by a 9mm in his face and someone telling him to roll over. He does, and is promptly taped up and taken to the living room with the rest of the family.

    The BGs proceed to stealing everything valuable in the home. They take everything, and put it into his work van. They get the keys to the van and leave, everybody is still taped up in the living room.

    He said that looking back on the situation only one BG had a gun, and it wasn't loaded. The BG repeatedly racked the slide on the pistol for a fear factor I guess. He talked to them during the whole robbery trying to calm the situation and get as much info from them as possible. He also reminded them that stealing all of his belongings using his ADT Security van would probably not be a good idea, since it is equipped with GPS.

    His question to me was, did he do the right thing? I told him that in the situation where the BG has a gun in your face, the only option is to comply. Regardless of whether or not the gun is loaded, there are 3 of them versus one of him and he was taped up anyway. I am not sure what could have been done differently in the situation. I did tell him a few things I could think of to prevent this type of situation.

    So, would you have reacted differently? If so, what could have/should have been done differently? All comments and suggestions are welcome.

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    Wow. Even the BG's can't find any ammo.

    I don't think I would have done anything differently. 3 against 1 are bad odds. Even though the gun wasn't loaded, they could have had a knife.

    Obviously, since no one was hurt, your friends did the right thing in this particular incident.
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    In the situation described above there isn't much you can do. You wake to a gun in the face and 3 intruders, the battle is already lost. All you can do is hope they take the goods and leave you alone.

    Not sure why he told them his van is GPS monitored. If he talks them out of taking the van he lessens the chance of them being caught with the goods in hand.

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    Glad everyone is ok. In this situation, for this time everything was done correctly -- everyone is unhurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Wow. Even the BG's can't find any ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Wow. Even the BG's can't find any ammo.


    Sorry, not to make light of it, but that was pretty funny!

    Your friend did the only thing he could have in that situation. You never know what they might have done, had he tried to resist, and his girlfriend and kids were already taped and terrified. In this case, thankfully, no one got hurt, so he must have done what should have been done. Imagine the pain he would be going through if he'd tried to do something, and the BGs pulled out a gun and slit a kid's throat? No, I'm sure he acted properly here. His GF and his children are still alive, and they all get to celebrate more birthdays together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    In the situation described above there isn't much you can do. You wake to a gun in the face and 3 intruders, the battle is already lost. All you can do is hope they take the goods and leave you alone.

    Not sure why he told them his van is GPS monitored. If he talks them out of taking the van he lessens the chance of them being caught with the goods in hand.
    I think he was trying to talk them out of taking anything at all. He managed to get out of one of the guys that he was on parole and tried to discourage the whole thing by letting them know that there was a very good chance of being caught.

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    This makes me darn glad our household includes several dogs.
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    When the house door is unlocked, both of us have a gun within arm's reach and we are awake; I have a very light sleep and there is no way somebody could enter the bedroom without my knowing it.

    Now, in the situation described, your friends were extremely lucky; unfortunately these situations usually end with the homeowners being killed (no witnesses); therefore I would have fought.
    Re-read the story in "Principles of self-defense" (Jeff Cooper) on the guy in his boat being awakened by a AK-47 on his chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatts View Post
    They take everything, and put it into his work van. They get the keys to the van and leave, .....

    He also reminded them that stealing all of his belongings using his ADT Security van would probably not be a good idea, since it is equipped with GPS.
    Most preparation must be made before any sort of incident happens. Preparations to your house to reduce the likelihood of intruders, slow them down to give you and LEO time to react, and training family members with a plan.

    I am sure his family has some plan what to do during a fire, have they ever discussed what to do in case of robbery? Being followed home? Problems at a neighbors house? Do your neighbors know to call t he police if they see something fishy at your place? By training people, they will respond to a situation better. (that being said, this is not an easy situation to respond too. They BG's really surprised them and took control quickly)


    I find it ironic that your friend works for a security firm that sooooo many people depend on to protect them from people like this. I am sure his work van is insured, let them take it. There is little point in arguing with anyone who has all the power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post

    I am sure his family has some plan what to do during a fire, have they ever discussed what to do in case of robbery? Being followed home? Problems at a neighbors house? Do your neighbors know to call t he police if they see something fishy at your place? By training people, they will respond to a situation better. (that being said, this is not an easy situation to respond too. They BG's really surprised them and took control quickly)

    You know, I never thought of asking about that. A plan is a good thing to have. I will definitely suggest this to him if he hasn't already discussed it with his family. The BGs are suspected to be some neighbors from down the street. He is currently moving to an apartment in a better neighborhood until he finds a house in a better place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obxned View Post
    This makes me darn glad our household includes several dogs.
    I would like to have seen how this situation would have turned out with a couple of dogs in the mix!
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    If every one in the family resists than in this case the wife's struggles and screams would have woke the husband. If he had a gun he could have confronted them armed and awake instead of waking up at gunpoint. His wife realy hooked him up.-Jay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rogers View Post
    If every one in the family resists than in this case the wife's struggles and screams would have woke the husband. If he had a gun he could have confronted them armed and awake instead of waking up at gunpoint. His wife realy hooked him up.-Jay
    I hear You, but the Wife was probly afraid for the Kids.
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