Home Defense......not here.
This is a discussion on Home Defense......not here. within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I reside in probably the most anti gun state in the country...New Jersey. It is 99% impossible to get a CCL here and almost no ...
May 21st, 2009 12:15 AM
Home Defense......not here.
I reside in probably the most anti gun state in the country...New Jersey. It is 99% impossible to get a CCL here and almost no one applys in fear of having a permanent rejection on their record and gun laws here are beyond belief.
But what really suprised me was reading the NJ Statutes last evening.
The is no Castle Doctrine law in this state.
If someone enters your house say from the rear, the actor must retreat out the front if possible before using any force. In essense you must run out of your house if you can..Huh...what's wrong here and who makes these laws ?
May 21st, 2009 12:15 AM
May 21st, 2009 12:23 AM
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May 21st, 2009 12:26 AM
Who makes these laws?
You did say you live in New Jersey, right? That pretty much answers the question of what idiots did that...As I understand it, only Tony Soprano gets to carry in Jersey...
May 21st, 2009 12:29 AM
Those living in NJ voted in the dorks who made those laws...I'd be moving out of there.
I left MI for FL...prior to MI being a 'shall issue' state. It was part of a reason to leave although only a small part.
Stay armed...live some place you can be...stay safe!
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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May 21st, 2009 12:34 AM
The people who make such laws want you to die rather than survive. Pure and simple.
Originally Posted by xXxplosive
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
How does disarming
the number of victims?
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May 21st, 2009 01:49 AM
That's too crazy for words. Someone ought to run for office there on the "Common sense" platform and change some of those moronic laws. I can't imagine that the people are for this kind of nonsense. Basically, you can be violated from the rear,(of your home) and you have to run ? No self defense, no defending loved ones in the house ? What in tarnation ? Beats all I've ever seen !
May 21st, 2009 01:59 AM
Thanks for clarifying.
Originally Posted by PNUT
"Criminals are a cowardly and superstitious lot."
May 21st, 2009 02:13 AM
1943 - 2009
Legislators who are elected by the voters of New Jersey, that's who.
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
And go to your God like a soldier.
May 21st, 2009 02:36 AM
Come on down to Florida. There's plenty of room and we need as many (legal) users of firearms as possible. Florida has the Castle Doctrine and also removed the 'duty to retreat' clause from any self defense situation as long as you are somewhere you are legally allowed.
The no 'duty to retreat' is a big plus. Turning around to run from a bad guy is a good way to get shot in the back.
May 21st, 2009 02:45 AM
May 21st, 2009 10:25 AM
Yeah, it's no joke here. The elected officials who try to bring something worth while to the table in Trenton are either voted down or the bill never reaches the house for a vote. We have a fella running in the next election, a Republican who is for CCL and revising the firearms laws here but, the mind set in this state is rediculous. he probably will have no chance. Even retired LEO's have a hard time getting a CCL.
NJ has the highest insurance rates, taxes and cost of living per capita and worst firearms and judicious laws I believe. How coincidental it is that all the elected officials here are attorneys who's firms represent the insurance and auto companies that take precident here.
As far as the Castle Doctrine, if you take defensive action in your own home, the state automatically prosecutes you and you must defend your actions against the State Of NJ and the BG in court.
This is a state of sheep and most likely always will be. A BG's haven, just read about Newark, Camden and Trenton. In Camden, they had to bring in the NJ State Police as the City police couldn't control the crime and drugs there, it got so outta hand.
But the lawbiding citizen has to wait for the LEO to arrive or else try to run for his life.
CCL.........When Seconds Count and the Police Are Minutes Away.
May 21st, 2009 10:41 AM
Originally Posted by CRags99
May 21st, 2009 12:24 PM
New Jersey is just expected to leave the idiots in charge. It is NJ after all...JK
It is one of the states I avoid at all cost due to the laws and restrictions that only favor the criminal. It is unfortunate that NJ will have to suffer (as a whole) at the mercy of a vocal lib population of sheep in the populated areas. Rural NJ does not share the opinions that urban NJ does and the entire state pays the price
May 21st, 2009 12:48 PM
+1 major idiots
Originally Posted by HotGuns
May 21st, 2009 12:52 PM
LeCalsey, your so right about NJ.
My neighbor's idea of home defense is a Louisville Slugger and a Golf club, no joke. They wouldn't even consider carrying pepper spray with them. Folks around here mostly exist in an unrealistic enviornment thinking it can't happen to them.
Well, Ready or Not, Here It Comes...and most of the time that's exactly how it happens.
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