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Does a chair put me in danger of death or serious bodily injury? Probably. Would I draw and fire? No. I would run or hide.
1) We have seen that juries do not like self-defense in anything that can be described as a 'bar fight'.
2) It would be way too easy to hit an innocent bystander in a crowded restaurant.
3) Running away and/or cowering in a corner is a relatively good tactic to avoid this sort of thing in most cases. Put your manhood aside and deal with it.
4) I wouldn't be in the situation in the first place, in all likelihood. Even though I don't have a family, I don't go places that aren't that 'family friendly' type atmosphere. I just don't like it...it makes me uncomfortable to be around people who are irresponsible. I'd much rather go bowling than to a bar. Sometimes I think I should have been a child of the 50s instead of the 90s. I guess I am just a boring person
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If I believe that the person with the chair can and will inflict death or grave injury on me, I shoot.
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In some case, a chair can be used as a deadly weapon. The reason I know this is from an experience my brother went through that landed him in the hospital while he was in the USAF.
While he was in the military my brother started taking martial arts classes. He wanted to be able to protect himself. One time he was a bar off base having a few beer with some buddies. At this point he had been taking martial arts classes for around 4 months. Long story short, in the midst of a bar fight one of the bar patrons grabbed a chair from one of the tables. The legs of this steel chair didn't have plastic inserts in the legs.
One of the BG's grabbed this chair and shoved towards my brothers lower chest. One of the legs of the chair pierced his lower abdomen and entered my brother's stomach! He almost bled to death if the EMT's hadn't arrived so quickly. He still has a very bad scars from the surgeries (yeah, plural) that saved his life.
So yes, a chair can be a lethal weapon. Assume that someone attacking you with a chair wants to seriously harm you. My brother Larry and I will definitely agree with you!
Last edited by Pikachu711; July 9th, 2009 at 12:40 PM.
"Gun control is being able to hit your target."
If you can shoot a tennis ball from the hip at 20' coming from one of these
while 10 people are screaming in your ear and you don't get splatter from hitting the floor injuring multiple people behind the BG then I'll agree that it's a good drill for you. But only you.
If your target isn't clear then you don't shoot. Period. You NEVER shoot to wound. As said only shoot to stop the threat. Don't forget that lighting conditions in most bars and restaurants are less than optimal and the BG will most likely not have florescent yellow kneecaps and may even be wearing long pants.
Now if you can shoot a tennis ball at 20' from the hip then you can really take comfort in knowing you can hit center of mass and stop the threat.
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If the threat is lethal and legitimate, absolutely.Is a chair cause for lethal force?