This is a discussion on 4 on 1 gunfight? within the Carry & Defensive Scenarios forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I live in georgia and a guy stabbed his girlfriend to death in a parking lot.Iwas told if i would have came up i could ...
I live in georgia and a guy stabbed his girlfriend to death in a parking lot.Iwas told if i would have came up i could have shot this guy with no reprecussion.I was told I have to fear for my life or someone elses life in order to be justified.Is this correct?
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We had a lot of discussion on the Valleyfair incident on the Minnesota (twincitiescarry.com) board. In the end, I decided I would not get involved, even though the guy was getting the *((*& kicked out of him.
The biggest issue was that there were innocent people all around and if I started shooting I'd hit them as well. The secondary issue was that I'm not taking on a big group of gangbangers, exposing my family to retaliation, and taking on the legal expenses of a righteous shoot for someone I don't know.
I'll call 911 and start the cellphone camera recording, that's it.
An enemy of liberty is no friend of mine. I do not owe respect to anyone who would enslave me by government force, nor is it wise for such a person to expect it. -- Isaiah Amberay
There isn't enough info to give an accurate answer.
No offense and I mean NO OFFENSE to you. I guarantee you are not one... But you Sound like a LIBERAL!
Depend on the cops to show up 30 mins later and that poor kid is now ground beef with no cardiac activity left in his chest. The 4 guys beating him probably left after he was dead and kicked some one else's chest in 5 days later.
Thats why I practice what the finest US Mil taught me. SHOOT FAST HARD AND RELOAD BEFORE THE LAST ROUND LEAVES THE BREECH. Over and over and over and I practice. I actually have a ammo budget dedicated to practice with my 1911. I put 250rds a week down range every week of the year. Sure is expensive but if you carry a gun practice as if you are going to fight in the civil war no. 2.
In the grand sandbox across the great blue there were many occasions that unfortuantely we had to stomp some jerks face in for beating on some little iraqi girl or boy. Its how life is ... God Bless American troops no matter what the media says about how evil we are.
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Unless it is a friend/family member, I would just call the cops. However, If I was silly enough to get involved and became out numbered. I would quickly get back in the car and drive away.
This is a very precarious situation, either way you slice it. It can be bad either way. Case in point:
My buddies and I stopped at a convenience store about a block down from my apartment. We were about to get out of the car when we noticed a scuffle brewing inside. There was a large white male (6-4 250ish) and a smaller Hispanic male (5-9 160ish). They jarred back and forth, and the Hispanic male hit the guy with a plastic soft drink bottle. They scuffle outside. To this point, we think we're about to watch a good round or two go down. Then it happens.
The Hispanic guy holds up the white guy while 3 more guys come out of no where. They trip the guy, and all of them proceed to start kicking him in the head. Three bolt off, and 4 more join the fray, all of the kicking him in the head. They have him pinned up against a pillar, and are giving him more than just a butt whooping. We called the cops.
After discussing the event, we went back to the store an hour or so later and chatted up the attendant. Said they kicked the guy so much it peeled the skin back off his face. Found out later on the news the guy was in critical condition at the hospital and might not make it. I felt horrible for the guy, and had some misgivings still about whether we should have done something or not.
So as I mentioned earlier, it's a sticky situation. This happened way before concealed carry was even on my mind (I don't think I was even 21 yet), but me and the other guys considered getting out of the car when the first three jumped in. If we had, we'd have had quite a rumble to get ourselves out of with 4 others waiting in the shadows. I understand the member earlier who mentioned "moral responsiblity", as I think that's what made me second guess myself. But being heroic doesn't always mean coming out alive or in good shape either. It's a tough call either way.
So many variables to consider. Is my wife with me? My child? Am I in my car (with a 15 shot 9mm plus 15 shot magazine) or am I in my wife's car (probably carrying my Kahr PM9 with 7 plus a 7 round magazine)? Are there are a lot of other people around or are the streets empty? This may be one of those times as much as I hate to say it, where you rely on your gut/intution. It told me not to get out of the car that night, and it saved me a severe butt whooping. I hope I never have to find out what I'd have to do or not do. Thought provoking thread though, thanks!
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I would call 911, take cover, and see what develops. While I am not my brother's keeper, I also subscribe to the belief that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing... I don't think I could stand knowing that I stood by while a human being was beaten to death.
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Once you pull out a gun you will have crossed a line of no return... They draw on you and now you are in mortal danger with gun(s) pointed at you.
What do you do when you are armed and in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm? ...*, *, *, * and *
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Hypothetically speaking, I have a question for you.
Say you come up on the 4 guys beating down the one guy right?
Now lets say you draw your weapon and you're an awesome shot and shoot all the attackers.
Later you find out you just killed the family (say Father and 3 sons) that were beating down an assailant who they chased out of their home. The assailant had just raped and murdered their mom. 4 guys come home, find the BG standing over the mom, fight ensues and they spill out onto the street. That is when you come in and shoot them all... How would you feel? Sound far fetched?
Say someone is trying to mug you, and you shoot him. And someone passing by sees you shoot him. How do they know who's the bad guy and who the good guy is? Does the passerby run up and be a hero and try to shoot you? Or should they call the cops?
I'm not trying to start an arguement, but things are not always black & white, and real life is not like the movies...
That being said, drawing your gun on 4 guys will be a bad day, no matter what happens next.